Church with a Pre-School Operation

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Church with a Pre-School Operation

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This question may have been discussed previously but have been unable to find it with a search. Our church has an affiliated Pre-School which uses designated classrooms in the Children's education wing. Today a Gunbuster Sign was posted on the outside door to that wing -- supposedly because of the pre-school operation. Can someone please point me to the law regarding pre-schools and the impact on Concealed Carry? Our church Board had been considering passing a resolution allowing licensed Concealed Carry but this pre-school seems to be throwing up a roadblock.
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Pre School...No gun signs...enumerated.....keep out...
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carmen fovozzo wrote:Pre School...No gun signs...enumerated.....keep out...
But is it? Let's play the ORC game....
(B) No person shall knowingly possess a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance in a school safety zone.
(1) "School safety zone" consists of a school, school building, school premises, school activity, and school bus.
(2) "School," "school building," and "school premises" have the same meanings as in section 2925.01 of the Revised Code.
(Q) "School" means any school operated by a board of education, any community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, or any nonpublic school for which the state board of education prescribes minimum standards under section 3301.07 of the Revised Code, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted at the time a criminal offense is committed.
(R) "School premises" means either of the following:

(1) The parcel of real property on which any school is situated, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted on the premises at the time a criminal offense is committed;

(2) Any other parcel of real property that is owned or leased by a board of education of a school, the governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, or the governing body of a nonpublic school for which the state board of education prescribes minimum standards under section 3301.07 of the Revised Code and on which some of the instruction, extracurricular activities, or training of the school is conducted, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted on the parcel of real property at the time a criminal offense is committed.

(S) "School building" means any building in which any of the instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by a school is conducted, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted in the school building at the time a criminal offense is committed.
Q directly above is the big one. Is a pre-school through a church governed by any of those?

And don't forget, all of the above is irrellevant if you can gain permission from the governing body..
(1) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry deadly weapons or dangerous ordnance and is acting within the scope of the officer's, agent's, or employee's duties, a security officer employed by a board of education or governing body of a school during the time that the security officer is on duty pursuant to that contract of employment, or any other person who has written authorization from the board of education or governing body of a school to convey deadly weapons or dangerous ordnance into a school safety zone or to possess a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance in a school safety zone and who conveys or possesses the deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance in accordance with that authorization;
A blanket permission can not be given though.
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If it isn't considered a "school" it most likely would be a day care center
(B) A valid concealed handgun license does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun in any manner prohibited under division (B) of section 2923.12 of the Revised Code or in any manner prohibited under section 2923.16 of the Revised Code. A valid license does not authorize the licensee to carry a concealed handgun into any of the following places:

(7) A child day-care center, a type A family day-care home, or a type B family day-care home, except that this division does not prohibit a licensee who resides in a type A family day-care home or a type B family day-care home from carrying a concealed handgun at any time in any part of the home that is not dedicated or used for day-care purposes, or from carrying a concealed handgun in a part of the home that is dedicated or used for day-care purposes at any time during which no children, other than children of that licensee, are in the home;
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Is your pre-school part of Head Start ? I believe Pre-school is either State or Federal.....if not a nursery school it must be funded these days by one of the mentioned governments....I believe.
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Thanks for the responses. Funding is from tuition with some help from the church. No state or fed funding.

Even if the premises are no-carry due to statute does that require posting notices at the entrances?
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remphoto wrote:Thanks for the responses. Funding is from tuition with some help from the church. No state or fed funding.

Even if the premises are no-carry due to statute does that require posting notices at the entrances?
Yes, 2923.1212 requires them to post.
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remphoto wrote:This question may have been discussed previously but have been unable to find it with a search.
Yes, this has been discussed before, and the answers are, at best, complicated:

http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72740" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Is there any church functions taking place "during" day care operation?

I would say carry could (legally) be allowed if there is no "day care operation/business" taking place during a church function ....ie: worship serv., church board meeting, prayer meeting or such church activities......in other words, when the day care is in operation, NO FIREARMS, PERIOD, NOT EVEN ON THE PROPERTY, and make this clear to those who will be carrying so there will be no misunderstanding if carry is allowed, but then again, as Werz stated.....it's complicated :roll: .....and IANAL so.....

Our church has "child care" during worship servise for those of us who have small children/babies during church services and what not but I don't think this applies.....our "personal child care" for "our" perishoners is not the same thing as a public "day care" operation and we've decided to allow carry in our church quite a while back :D .
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