will74 wrote:In the letter posted here says not even off duty police officers are allow to carry if a sign is posted. I'm pretty sure off duty police officers does not have to obey them signs. But i could be wrong...
jamie9mm wrote:will74 wrote:Yes they are supposed to disarm but most will tell they do have to as it is there duty to act in a felony situation under oath.(which I have no problem with)Unless they are of duty in a bar and want to get drunk.
Napoleon85 wrote:Didn't the law get changed to permit off duty LEOs to carry while under the influence?
jabeatty wrote:Napoleon85 wrote:Didn't the law get changed to permit off duty LEOs to carry while under the influence?
SB184 changed 2923.121 to allow for firearm carry in D-permitted facilities by off-duty officers serving as employees/agents of the principle owner of the establishment.
2923.121 Possession of firearm in liquor permit premises - prohibition, exceptions.
(A) No person shall possess a firearm in any room in which any person is consuming liquor in premises for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code or in an open air arena for which a permit of that nature has been issued.
(B)(1) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or to a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry firearms and is acting within the scope of the officer’s, agent’s, or employee’s duties;
(b) Any person who is employed in this state, who is authorized to carry firearms, and who is subject to and in compliance with the requirements of section 109.801 of the Revised Code, unless the appointing authority of the person has expressly specified that the exemption provided in division (B)(1)(b) of this section does not apply to the person;
NavyChief wrote:Man, I hate to disagree with Jim, 'cause I'm just as likely to end up with egg on my face as not, but I'm gonna have to go out on a limb here...
OCCI wrote:Great letter! I know one place so far thats getting one. Would be a good idea to keep a few of these in the glovebox. Thanks!
OCCI wrote:gmhiggins wrote:OCCI wrote:Great letter! I know one place so far thats getting one. Would be a good idea to keep a few of these in the glovebox. Thanks!
As a tip that I use, I always enclose receipts from their competitor with any sort of letter or email. Especially in this economy, business want every penny they can get. Seeing their dollars go elsewhere because they think somehow a possible trespass charge will prevent any sort of felony from happening at their establishment. I also try to make that point very clear.
Armed robbery is a felony with potentially years as a sentence. Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor, maximum 30 days in jail, $250 fine. Someone already risking years in prison for using a gun for illegal purposes will not be bothered by another 30 days.
Great tips, I'll try sending this letter with a receipt. The manager who was working there wasnt open for conversation on the issue .... I was thinking about putting together a little packet with a letter, information to links, and articles that could be sent to the executives/owners of these businesses that would sell the idea that law abiding citizens shouldnt be descriminated against. I am one that truly believes that we as concealed carry holders have most likely had a more thorough background check, including finger prints, than most CPZ employees have had.
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