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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby Klingon00 » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:38 pm

evan price wrote:I've tried to minimize because I can't stand heavy jingling pockets.
I don't carry change as a normal thing.

Victorinox Tinker swiss army knife
Fenix SP1 flashlight
Kershaw Scallion folder in black
NAA mini magnum
Pocket handkerchief
Phone.

Vehicle stores 9mm handgun with spare mag, 12-g pump shotgun with ammo, plenty of tools, lighters, tow rope, zip ties, first aid kit, spare AA batteries.


I'm disappointed you don't still keep a tactical fire extinguisher for dealing with sandwich threatening, insistent hitchhiking tweakers. :lol:
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby evan price » Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:21 am

I'm disappointed you don't still keep a tactical fire extinguisher for dealing with sandwich threatening, insistent hitchhiking tweakers. :lol:


Hey that's in the truck. I don't pocket carry that!
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby jeep45238 » Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:55 pm

Why keep a long gun with ammo in a vehicle, along with a larger caliber handgun in the vehicle as well? If the service 9mm sized gun is more appropriate than a single action 22 mini revolver, wouldn't it be better served to keep that on your person and leave no firearms in a vehicle that could be stolen during a break in?

Wy does that system work better for you than another combination?
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby evan price » Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:15 am

jeep45238 wrote:Why keep a long gun with ammo in a vehicle, along with a larger caliber handgun in the vehicle as well? If the service 9mm sized gun is more appropriate than a single action 22 mini revolver, wouldn't it be better served to keep that on your person and leave no firearms in a vehicle that could be stolen during a break in?

Wy does that system work better for you than another combination?

I am often in places where being ccw is not allowed either by a workplace rule or custom. In those cars I find deep concealment can only be sustained by a very small ccw. This is the NAA 22 mini mag. However once in no longer in those circumstances I can then carry the 9mm.
My usual carry is a S&W model 38 Bodyguard revolver.
I started carrying the 12g pump during the unrest in 2020. I'm not Batman. But if its time to leave, I'm leaving. I've got enough beater mossberg pumps.
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby jeep45238 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:14 pm

evan price wrote:
jeep45238 wrote:Why keep a long gun with ammo in a vehicle, along with a larger caliber handgun in the vehicle as well? If the service 9mm sized gun is more appropriate than a single action 22 mini revolver, wouldn't it be better served to keep that on your person and leave no firearms in a vehicle that could be stolen during a break in?

Wy does that system work better for you than another combination?

I am often in places where being ccw is not allowed either by a workplace rule or custom. In those cars I find deep concealment can only be sustained by a very small ccw. This is the NAA 22 mini mag. However once in no longer in those circumstances I can then carry the 9mm.
My usual carry is a S&W model 38 Bodyguard revolver.
I started carrying the 12g pump during the unrest in 2020. I'm not Batman. But if its time to leave, I'm leaving. I've got enough beater mossberg pumps.


Have you worked through probable situations to access deficiencies and alternatives to them (ie - exiting the vehicle to access a long gun)? The time to get POM spray into action vs. a NAA revolver, for example?
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby Klingon00 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:31 pm

There are few firearms you can successfully conceal carry at a water park. I think the NAA mini covered in a zip-loc bag inside trunks being the only one I've ever heard of being a thing.

The NAA mini is one firearm I would feel barely armed when carrying though. Probably beats being disarmed when you really need it but I would personally try to find any other solution before I resorted to it, I think. Still, if push came to shove, I'd be glad to have something, perhaps.

I wonder, how does it compare for size and weight against something like an LC380?
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby JustaShooter » Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:33 pm

Klingon00 wrote:I wonder, how does [a NAA mini] compare for size and weight against something like an LC380?

The LC380 is pretty large in comparison - remember, it is a 380 on a 9mm frame. The original LCP or LCPII on the other hand is pretty small but the NAA is still a lot smaller and lighter (4.6oz vs 9.6oz). Still, I'd be more inclined to try to find a way to carry the LCP, personally. YMMV.
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby Klingon00 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:19 pm

JustaShooter wrote:The original LCP or LCPII on the other hand is pretty small but the NAA is still a lot smaller and lighter (4.6oz vs 9.6oz). Still, I'd be more inclined to try to find a way to carry the LCP, personally. YMMV.
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Ahh, yes the LCP is what I was thinking of. Interesting to see that it isn't that much larger. Now that's got me thinking... :idea:
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby M-Quigley » Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:12 pm

Klingon00 wrote:There are few firearms you can successfully conceal carry at a water park. I think the NAA mini covered in a zip-loc bag inside trunks being the only one I've ever heard of being a thing.

The NAA mini is one firearm I would feel barely armed when carrying though. Probably beats being disarmed when you really need it but I would personally try to find any other solution before I resorted to it, I think. Still, if push came to shove, I'd be glad to have something, perhaps.

I wonder, how does it compare for size and weight against something like an LC380?


I used to have a NAA 1 inch barrel 22lr stainless revolver. It made even a fie titan .25 semi auto (similar to a colt cub and smaller than a LC380 or even a LCP) look huge by comparison. I didn't buy it as a CCW weapon, just as a novelty, the worlds smallest production handgun at the time, for my collection. Putting it into action merely involved cocking the hammer, could be done easily while bringing the gun up to target, like any cowboy type SA handgun. The problem was I had to grip and aim it a special way just to get it to make head shots at 3-4 yards, and if you're using any .22lr or .25 handgun head shots are to me more important than torso shots. I've heard laser sights help but IDK what they do to the conceal ability. Some people put big grips on them but to me that defeats the purpose of being able to conceal it practically anywhere. Back decades ago I read an alleged account of a detective who offered himself as an additional or exchange hostage to a hostage taker. the criminal searched the detective but didn't' find a weapon. At some point in the hostage taking the guy let his guard down and the detective pulled out his mini revolver from whereever he had it concealed and with one shot to the head ended the hostage situation.

Speaking of concealing it practically anywhere, :roll:

Warning the news station video, while funny, might not be safe for work, IDK, The anchors reaction and comments are interesting though. :lol:

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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby schmieg » Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:01 pm

Head shots with a .22 are especially lethal as the round usually doesn't have the power to exit the skull and it bounces around inside.
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby GWC » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:33 pm

Hi folks, Long time, no posts.

I retired recently and have started rethinking my every day carry routine. I used to carry of compact Sig and two magazines, plus an old S&W model 38 Airweight.
P228 for years, then a P320 compact. The 320 made things much lighter, and I found I could shoot it extremely well, especially after I got the frame module that fit my small hands.

I got a P365 when they became available and found that I could shoot it as well as any full-size gun, so I carried it with a 12 round mag and two spares, upping the spares to 15 rounds once they became available. Eventually moving to an LCR 9mm for back-up.

Always carried a light or two and at least one folding single blade knife. Sometimes I also carried OC spray. I could never carry at work, but left the guns in my car. When things got hairy, I usually had a backpack in the car with other guns and ammo, and sometimes a level IIIa vest. If I had to walk home I could do it, but it would take a few hours.

I live in a rural/exurban township and I don't go much of anywhere since retiring in the Age Of Rona, but at least now I do not have to disarm to go to work.

It seems to me that one ten round mag in the P365 is more than sufficient most of the time, sometimes I'll add the LCR if I go for an extended hike with my dog. one or two knives for utility use and a cheap light for the same.

It's good that I can be armed anywhere I go now, but I have downsized my load considerably. The P365 is very reliable, and It is very rare that go into an urban area. I can always carry more if I do.

I need to come up with a good OC solution that is small and quick to deploy. I am more likely to encounter a dog or black bear than two legged varmint.
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby jeep45238 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:32 pm

GWC wrote:Hi folks, Long time, no posts.

I retired recently and have started rethinking my every day carry routine. I used to carry of compact Sig and two magazines, plus an old S&W model 38 Airweight.
P228 for years, then a P320 compact. The 320 made things much lighter, and I found I could shoot it extremely well, especially after I got the frame module that fit my small hands.

I got a P365 when they became available and found that I could shoot it as well as any full-size gun, so I carried it with a 12 round mag and two spares, upping the spares to 15 rounds once they became available. Eventually moving to an LCR 9mm for back-up.

Always carried a light or two and at least one folding single blade knife. Sometimes I also carried OC spray. I could never carry at work, but left the guns in my car. When things got hairy, I usually had a backpack in the car with other guns and ammo, and sometimes a level IIIa vest. If I had to walk home I could do it, but it would take a few hours.

I live in a rural/exurban township and I don't go much of anywhere since retiring in the Age Of Rona, but at least now I do not have to disarm to go to work.

It seems to me that one ten round mag in the P365 is more than sufficient most of the time, sometimes I'll add the LCR if I go for an extended hike with my dog. one or two knives for utility use and a cheap light for the same.

It's good that I can be armed anywhere I go now, but I have downsized my load considerably. The P365 is very reliable, and It is very rare that go into an urban area. I can always carry more if I do.

I need to come up with a good OC solution that is small and quick to deploy. I am more likely to encounter a dog or black bear than two legged varmint.



What about swapping one of the spare mags for POM pepper spray? Are both spare mags actually needed given the reliability and rarity of urban experience you mention?
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby GWC » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:41 pm

I don't carry the spare mags usually anymore, just the P365 with one 10 rounder and one in the pipe. Sometimes I also carry the LCR as a "New York Reload" instead of the mags.

If I venture into Cuyahoga County I Might bring one or two spare mags, But i almost never go there anymore. I prefer my rural/semi-rural paradise instead.

Pom may be a good option, I haven't tried it yet.
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby Klingon00 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:13 pm

M-Quigley wrote:[
Speaking of concealing it practically anywhere, :roll:

Warning the news station video, while funny, might not be safe for work, IDK, The anchors reaction and comments are interesting though. :lol:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/woman ... into-jail/


In case anyone is looking for a caboose pistol :wink: It looks like the NAA now has a competitor, albeit quite a bit larger. I wonder if this would be any easier to deploy and reload under fire?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/range ... -revolver/

Standard Manufacturing’s new Switch-Gun is a folding, pocketable 5-shot revolver that deploys like an auto knife and is designed to make it packable, portable and affordable. Something you won’t have a problem slipping in your pocket as you head out the door.
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Re: How much crud do I need/want to carry?

Postby jeep45238 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:41 pm

Klingon00 wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:[
Speaking of concealing it practically anywhere, :roll:

Warning the news station video, while funny, might not be safe for work, IDK, The anchors reaction and comments are interesting though. :lol:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/woman ... into-jail/


In case anyone is looking for a caboose pistol :wink: It looks like the NAA now has a competitor, albeit quite a bit larger. I wonder if this would be any easier to deploy and reload under fire?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/range ... -revolver/

Standard Manufacturing’s new Switch-Gun is a folding, pocketable 5-shot revolver that deploys like an auto knife and is designed to make it packable, portable and affordable. Something you won’t have a problem slipping in your pocket as you head out the door.



I really don't see the attraction to these guns, given then likely chance of success via ballistics, shot placement, the time it takes to get them in action, etc. - when a literal can of POM pepper spray is more effective than any of that while still being able to legally go where you can't go with a gun, along with being able to use them MUCH earlier on in an encounter.
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