Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
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Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
Just wondering what the legality would be if you carried a takedown rifle in your backpack while hiking.
Could mags be loaded? What if it shared magazines with your sidearm which you have a license to carry concealed?
Could mags be loaded? What if it shared magazines with your sidearm which you have a license to carry concealed?
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
Personally, I would not risk it. I believe the CHL only applies to handguns. Even if you should prevail in the end, any arrest would cost you. You might not even have your firearms returned without a fight. Shoulder straps are a lot less expensive.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
Yeah, but I'm looking to just carry something small and light in a camelbak.Cosmos wrote:Personally, I would not risk it. I believe the CHL only applies to handguns. Even if you should prevail in the end, any arrest would cost you. You might not even have your firearms returned without a fight. Shoulder straps are a lot less expensive.
I'm okay with my guns being confiscated as long as doing so wouldn't make me a felon. So, trying to figure out the legality of it.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
The more I think about this, the more I'm not sure. I started from the position that it would be illegal, and having loaded magazines that fit it available to you would make it a felony.
*But*, I know people carry different packable rifles in backpacks on hiking and camping trips, and I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble over it, so that started me thinking.
I'm beginning to think that the fact that these kinds of rifles are partially disassembled *may* exempt them from the "Carrying concealed weapons" statute. That statute says, in ORC 2923.12:
You might consider investing in a good firearm lawyer to see what they say - that's certainly the safest approach.
*But*, I know people carry different packable rifles in backpacks on hiking and camping trips, and I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble over it, so that started me thinking.
I'm beginning to think that the fact that these kinds of rifles are partially disassembled *may* exempt them from the "Carrying concealed weapons" statute. That statute says, in ORC 2923.12:
If a rifle is partially disassembled and in a backpack, it is certainly concealed, but is it actually "ready at hand"? I think that's the key. Now, I'm not a lawyer, and of course this shouldn't be taken as legal advice, but I suspect you'd be fine in the unlikely event you were stopped by law enforcement.A) No person shall knowingly carry or have, concealed on the person's person or concealed ready at hand, any of the following:
(1) A deadly weapon other than a handgun;
(2) A handgun other than a dangerous ordnance;
(3) A dangerous ordnance.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
Now, to add a bit of complexity to the issue, the carbine I'm talking about is a Kel-Tec sub2000. It folds.. but is that considered disassembled as in the way you were talking?JustaShooter wrote:The more I think about this, the more I'm not sure. I started from the position that it would be illegal, and having loaded magazines that fit it available to you would make it a felony.
*But*, I know people carry different packable rifles in backpacks on hiking and camping trips, and I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble over it, so that started me thinking.
I'm beginning to think that the fact that these kinds of rifles are partially disassembled *may* exempt them from the "Carrying concealed weapons" statute. That statute says, in ORC 2923.12:
If a rifle is partially disassembled and in a backpack, it is certainly concealed, but is it actually "ready at hand"? I think that's the key. Now, I'm not a lawyer, and of course this shouldn't be taken as legal advice, but I suspect you'd be fine in the unlikely event you were stopped by law enforcement.A) No person shall knowingly carry or have, concealed on the person's person or concealed ready at hand, any of the following:
(1) A deadly weapon other than a handgun;
(2) A handgun other than a dangerous ordnance;
(3) A dangerous ordnance.
You might consider investing in a good firearm lawyer to see what they say - that's certainly the safest approach.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
I wouldn't think that folding = disassembled.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
Pirateguy191 is correct, having a folding stock in no way equates to disassembled.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
Well, it's not the stock that folds - the Sub-2000 breaks just behind the chamber. When folded it cannot fire.Cosmos wrote:Pirateguy191 is correct, having a folding stock in no way equates to disassembled.
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Now, unfolding and snapping it into a usable shape is quick, but while folded it cannot shoot.
With the mag out... hmmmm... I'm just not sure how I'd vote.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
I would say no. I personally wouldn't carry one that way under current Ohio law, *especially* if I had loaded magazines that fit it.SSChevyMan wrote:Now, to add a bit of complexity to the issue, the carbine I'm talking about is a Kel-Tec sub2000. It folds.. but is that considered disassembled as in the way you were talking?JustaShooter wrote:If a rifle is partially disassembled and in a backpack, it is certainly concealed, but is it actually "ready at hand"? I think that's the key. Now, I'm not a lawyer, and of course this shouldn't be taken as legal advice, but I suspect you'd be fine in the unlikely event you were stopped by law enforcement.
You might consider investing in a good firearm lawyer to see what they say - that's certainly the safest approach.
What is your reason to carry it that way? Is it to have it accessible when needed, or is it to have fun at some point in the hike when you reach a place you want to shoot it, or what?
If it's to have fun at some point, then if you had a way to lock the backpack so it wasn't easily accessible, that might work. If it is a double-zipper compartment, they make small locks that can go through the sipper pulls to lock them together.
It it's to have it accessible when needed, then maybe consider an AR pistol in 9mm - pretty sure there are variants that take Glock mags, if that's what your sidearm takes.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
I frequently carry a keltec sub2000 in a gym bag or backpack. Since the folded sub can't be fired unless unfolded it is not 'ready to hand'.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
As someone else said, this isn't like a folding stock on other guns where you can still use it, it's inoperable while in a folded (taken down?) state.Cosmos wrote:Pirateguy191 is correct, having a folding stock in no way equates to disassembled.
It's been my experience that those that enforce the law usually have the poorest understanding of it.Javelin Man wrote:Just ask a policeman or a ranger!
and there's not exactly a stipulation that says something that's not easily accessible must not be able to be made to be fire in x amount of seconds, it's just whether it's good to grab and fire or not, or so I thought.147Doc wrote:Well, it's not the stock that folds - the Sub-2000 breaks just behind the chamber. When folded it cannot fire.Cosmos wrote:Pirateguy191 is correct, having a folding stock in no way equates to disassembled.
https://www.keltecweapons.com/wp-conten ... -9mm-1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Now, unfolding and snapping it into a usable shape is quick, but while folded it cannot shoot.
With the mag out... hmmmm... I'm just not sure how I'd vote.
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It's to have on me to defend myself if need me.JustaShooter wrote:I would say no. I personally wouldn't carry one that way under current Ohio law, *especially* if I had loaded magazines that fit it.SSChevyMan wrote:Now, to add a bit of complexity to the issue, the carbine I'm talking about is a Kel-Tec sub2000. It folds.. but is that considered disassembled as in the way you were talking?JustaShooter wrote:If a rifle is partially disassembled and in a backpack, it is certainly concealed, but is it actually "ready at hand"? I think that's the key. Now, I'm not a lawyer, and of course this shouldn't be taken as legal advice, but I suspect you'd be fine in the unlikely event you were stopped by law enforcement.
You might consider investing in a good firearm lawyer to see what they say - that's certainly the safest approach.
What is your reason to carry it that way? Is it to have it accessible when needed, or is it to have fun at some point in the hike when you reach a place you want to shoot it, or what?
If it's to have fun at some point, then if you had a way to lock the backpack so it wasn't easily accessible, that might work. If it is a double-zipper compartment, they make small locks that can go through the sipper pulls to lock them together.
It it's to have it accessible when needed, then maybe consider an AR pistol in 9mm - pretty sure there are variants that take Glock mags, if that's what your sidearm takes.
I mean I have an AK pistol but that would be way heavier, not to mention the mags. A few stock mags for a sub2000 wouldn't be a huge add-on of weight. I am trying to fit all this in a light camelbak backpack, after all.
Yeah, that's my thinking as well. It isn't readily fireable even if it was in a backpack... let alone in a collapsed state where I literally couldn't fire it without some reassembly.evan price wrote:I frequently carry a keltec sub2000 in a gym bag or backpack. Since the folded sub can't be fired unless unfolded it is not 'ready to hand'.
That's my story anyway.
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
I'm okay with my guns being confiscated as long as doing so wouldn't make me a felon. So, trying...
I'm sure there's a lollipop charge, COMMUNITY SERVICE ONLY, for a potential carrying ready at hand a concealed RIFLE .
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Re: Carrying takedown carbine in backpack?
I think your sarcasm was misunderstood a little further down the page, Jav. A few posts up from mine here.Javelin Man wrote:Just ask a policeman or a ranger!
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