Opinions wanted: .357 vs .44
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Opinions wanted: .357 vs .44
I'm in the market for a revolver. I'm trying to decide between the .357 magnum and the .44 magnum (.44 special is not offered in the model I want, so is not an option).
My dilemma is that I want it to be equally suited for target shooting, self defense, and deer hunting.
I worry the .357 isn't as good for deer hunting and that the .44 is too much for self defense and too heavy to be practical.
Recoil is a consideration as well. I've never shot a .44, but I can imagine the recoil might become uncomfortable after a day of shooting at the range. I'm quite sure it is less than my kick-like-a-mule .480, but still.
Then, of course, there is the cost of catridges. I'm concerned that the cmbination of recoil and ammo price might cause it to remain in my pistol safe for too long of intervals.
Anybody here have good advice on this decision?
My dilemma is that I want it to be equally suited for target shooting, self defense, and deer hunting.
I worry the .357 isn't as good for deer hunting and that the .44 is too much for self defense and too heavy to be practical.
Recoil is a consideration as well. I've never shot a .44, but I can imagine the recoil might become uncomfortable after a day of shooting at the range. I'm quite sure it is less than my kick-like-a-mule .480, but still.
Then, of course, there is the cost of catridges. I'm concerned that the cmbination of recoil and ammo price might cause it to remain in my pistol safe for too long of intervals.
Anybody here have good advice on this decision?
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That's what I was worried about. I shoot my .480, so I can handle recoil. But, that doesn't mean I like it!
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Dan,
You are correct about the .357 being marginal for deer compared to the .44Mag. Shot placement would be critical for a quick ethical kill. You can shoot .44Spec from your .44Mag or if you reload, you can tame the .44Mag to be very smooth and accurate. So as long as you meant Home-Defense when you said Self-Defense, I would get the .44Mag. The 6" barrel needed for deer in Ohio almost precludes using either for CCW.
Joe
You are correct about the .357 being marginal for deer compared to the .44Mag. Shot placement would be critical for a quick ethical kill. You can shoot .44Spec from your .44Mag or if you reload, you can tame the .44Mag to be very smooth and accurate. So as long as you meant Home-Defense when you said Self-Defense, I would get the .44Mag. The 6" barrel needed for deer in Ohio almost precludes using either for CCW.
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I have a .44 mag with a 7.5'' barrel that I used as a secondary weapon for hog hunting in California. I was able to carry it comfortable all day ... with a holster that included a belt and a padded shoulder strap.
For me, a .44 mag for self defense is a paradox: It's either too large to be effectively concealed, and any handgun would be a suboptimal solution for home defense.
For me, a .44 mag for self defense is a paradox: It's either too large to be effectively concealed, and any handgun would be a suboptimal solution for home defense.
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I have a 5" 629 Classic and it is just plain sweet to shoot. I had a 7.5" Redhawk when they first came out and disliked it. I do not shoot a plow handle grip well!! I also have a Contender with a 10"bbl on it in 44mag. The 5" Classic is legal for deer here in OH and the full lug under the BBL along with the combat grips must be what makes it so nice to shoot. If I shoot the Contender with the wood grips I know I"m shooting it. With a set of Pachmyers <sp> it is better but none are as nice as the Smith. It is nothing to shoot 50 or 100 rounds out of it, and 300 gr bullet loads don't hurt. Factory ammo prices are sort of high for the 44 and I have not looked at 357's for a long time. I vote for the 44 mag and I vote for it in the Smith! A 44 is more of a push type recoil to me and the 357 is a harder snap. I honestly prefer the 44 for now but I think I'm going to try a 357 again soon. One last thing, if you want to go cheap and are thinking a dragoon style 44, I wish you luck. They leave marks!!! on me at least.
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Yup, I gotta go with Collin. If you intend to use this handgun for home defense, get the .44 magnum and load it with .44 specials. You really do not want to set off a .357 magnum in the house. The muzzle flash is blinding and the ear-splitting (and ear-damaging) roar of a .357 in an enclosed area can (and likely will) cause an amount of disorientation and the unpleasant sensation that the world has come to and end. Not to mention that any misses will likely go through your walls and break windows down the street. I have done the .357 in an enclosed space thingy and know whereof I speak. I do not care to imagine what setting off a .44 magnum indoors would be like...collin wrote:Get the .44 Magnum and shoot .44 Specials out of it.
The .44 special has approximately the same external and terminal ballistics as .45acp in a simple point and click interface device. It runs about 800 fps out of a 4" barrel but the bullet weight can be up to twice that of a .38 special. I'm not so good at math, but if the velocity is the same and the mass is doubled, that should effectively double the whack.
Also if you intend to use the revolver for home defense, you may want to go with a 5" barrel. Anything longer than that is awkward to manipulate indoors and could conceivable be grabbed by a bad guy (wouldn't the Brady Bunch love that!). Anything shorter than a 5" barrel cannot be used to hunt deer in Ohio.
All seriousness aside, be very, very careful if you ever shoot .44 specials out of a gun designed for .44 magnum. It is so-o-o-o-o-o nice you may never ever go back to another cartridge.
One day we mignt find you at fortyfouranon:
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Collin is on the right track about .44 self-defense loads. At one time Winchester and Remington made 240 gr. "midrange" .44 magnum loads, which employed a lead semiwadcutter bullet at about 1000 feet per second. Certainly not brutal to shoot in 5" or longer barrels, which is deer hunting-minimum length here in the Buckeye.
Haven't checked lately to see if any of the companies still produce such a loading. Assuming they don't anymore, I believe CorBon and perhaps others make a .44 special that is a a little snappier than the old 246 grainers at 750 f.p.s.--- for use in modern guns only of course.
Hope that adds to the discussion..
Haven't checked lately to see if any of the companies still produce such a loading. Assuming they don't anymore, I believe CorBon and perhaps others make a .44 special that is a a little snappier than the old 246 grainers at 750 f.p.s.--- for use in modern guns only of course.
Hope that adds to the discussion..
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This is funny. I posted this same question on another forum and it generated a huge response. The overall concensus there was that the .357 is my best option. Since the primary use will be target shooting, I have decided to go with the .357.
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Just out of curiosity, which .357 did you decide to go with?Cable wrote:This is funny. I posted this same question on another forum and it generated a huge response. The overall concensus there was that the .357 is my best option. Since the primary use will be target shooting, I have decided to go with the .357.
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Even cooler would be a Ruger Single Action in .45 Colt...use it for hunting and Cowboy shooting! Unfortunately, SA's are not the best for home defenseCastle wrote:Sounds like you have your mind made up, but if you don't....
Consider a S&W N-frame in .45 Colt. Excellent self-defense round. Much easier to shoot than a .44 mag. As effective as a .44 mag with the correct ammo.
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