Dirty 2011 after ~2000rds.

[Quack]

Rather than pull another thread off topic, i'll start a new one.

I used this in the Costa Ludus class with TSiWRX. I had cleaned/lubed it the night before class and wanted to see what the failure point would be (if any). well unfortunately there were on issues like one would expect, it was quite the opposite with the polymer guns having issues, including an M&P having a slam-fire on day3 (which AETi took a look at an said it was the gunk that was in the frame) and even a Glock had an issue. Out of the 1911/2011's used in class there was only 1 that had an issue, and that was on a 9mm Loaded where the ejector had come loose (SA glues the ejectors in and doesn't use a pin). Her gun still functioned, but she said it didn't feel right.

Anyways, here are the dirty pics after then end of class.



























I've also never had an issue with my other 1911's that i've used in classes. The SA is mine and the Citadel (which i think Dan now owns) is one that I gave a once over the day before class. The Citadel only had 100rds through it before it was used in this class. Out of the 5 in this class (2-1911s, 2-Glocks, and XD), the 1911's ran flawlessly. Did I mention that this class was in the cold rain, so the 1911's should have failed and the Glocks shine since all the torture test indicate that they (Glocks) are super reliable, right?







So it's not about an expensive 1911/2011 being reliable, it's a properly setup gun that will be reliable. I also feel that a tighter gun makes it more difficult for dirt/debris to get into the gun to cause malfunctions.

[CCIman]

Which guns where shooting the reloads?

[TSiWRX]

^ Didn't matter.

There were a couple of different shooters with reloads in both the HE01 and HE02 sessions that Costa ran, and some had issues while others did not - those who had issues, once they switched to factory ammo or another batch of their reloads, saw resolution of their problems, so the class was actually a pretty good indicator of what all could go wrong just by how dirty the guns got (one shooter's M&P double-fed like crazy when fed his reloads, once it got dirty - but cleaned, it ran fine).

Quack's report covered the failures in HE01 with the exception of another rather spectacular catastrophic failure: a Sig Blackwater that cracked its slide.

In HE02, we had a Gen4 Glock that lost its take-down lever and was thus down until that part could be replaced. A Gen3 also went down - of the couple of friends of mine in the class, none of us remembered the reason. In that same class, an XD40-SC sheared off its front barrel lug. The shooter did not know the age of that particular gun, and IIRC, earlier XD40-SCs did see that problem.

What I took away most from those 6 days was that when things get bad enough, no matter what you shoot, you should expect that it'll suffer stoppages. 1911s, M&Ps, Glocks, H&Ks, XDs. We all saw stoppages that directly correlated with just how dirty our guns got (and yes, many of us elected to not clean or even re-lube our weapons for the entire session, just so that we can both press the limits of our weapons as well as test ourselves).

Being able to handle those stoppages in the proper manner: that's what sets an experienced shooter from one that's less so.

[Quack]

most ammo was factory loads.

there was also an HK that suffered a bent ejector.

an M&P that had an Arredondo base pad that failed and the user had 20 rounds fall to his feet.

[CCIman]

How many rounds per day?

[Quack]

How many rounds per day?

650-700

[TSiWRX]

there was also an HK that suffered a bent ejector.

an M&P that had an Arredondo base pad that failed and the user had 20 rounds fall to his feet.

Damn, how did I miss those two?

[Quack]

they were both on the right side of the line. You might not have heard of the mag incident because you were probably taping up, or back to loading mags up.

Funny thing about the Arrendondo extended basepads is i told someone on 1911Addicts that saw a failure in class and he said.

I havn't had any failures at all with mine, and probably have 800-900 rnds through it between the 2 mags with those extensions on them.

then about 2 days later he had them fail.

the extensions are arrendondos, but they will be getting replaced by taylor freelance extensions asap. had a baseplate come off the other day spilling 22rnds of 9mm along with the spring and follower all over the room

[TSiWRX]

they were both on the right side of the line. You might not have heard of the mag incident because you were probably taping up, or back to loading mags up.

Ah, maybe that's it. I really didn't get to talk to many of the guys on that side of the line (like Steve, the bad-butt pharmacist ) until late in Day 2.

I could've been peeing, too. I was literally going every break.

Funny thing about the Arrendondo extended basepads is i told someone on 1911Addicts that saw a failure in class and he said.

I havn't had any failures at all with mine, and probably have 800-900 rnds through it between the 2 mags with those extensions on them.

then about 2 days later he had them fail.

the extensions are arrendondos, but they will be getting replaced by taylor freelance extensions asap. had a baseplate come off the other day spilling 22rnds of 9mm along with the spring and follower all over the room

Doh!

Whose HK's ejector bent? Not the guy that was sitting with us (tall, braces, camped-out there - name's Chris - he had two HKs with him; he became my good buddy in HE02), was it?

[Quack]

I don't remember, but i think it was Steve.

[Quack]

yep, it was steve. I did notice him leave the line at one time.

Bent ejector? How did that happen?

@clint..was running my Hk 45c with 10 round extended mags for the hk 45c and mags from my full size Hk 45...ran the damn gun so hot and so fast that I jammed the full size mags so hard in the gun and went up too far and bent the ejector.

The above is a problem with any mag that is longer than usual. I actually replaced my mag catch on the 2011's for one of the Dawson Posi-Lock mag catch before class and didn't have an issue.
The ejector on the STI Tactical was broken off and replaced by the original owner and Bobby killed the ejector on my Edge (using the 140mm mags).

[TSiWRX]

^ Ah, thanks for that.

Wait, it was Steve? Dude, he'd bend steel just looking at it cross-eyed!

[Quack]

^ Ah, thanks for that.

Wait, it was Steve? Dude, he'd bend steel just looking at it cross-eyed!

Yes, it was Steve, the MS 13 Pharmacist