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propertymanager wrote:What rally?

https://www.facebook.com/events/418286858615195/

kcclark wrote:

propertymanager wrote:What rally?

https://www.facebook.com/events/418286858615195/

And for those not on Facebook: http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=91328" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

propertymanager wrote:I honestly think that Trump is responsible for this entire mess. When he signaled his support for the bump stock ban, he signaled his willingness to give in to the anti's. He gave an inch, now the anti's want to take a mile. The anti's are unleashed and are calling for gun bans, confiscation, and even the killing of pro 2A citizens. Nice job Trump!

He is not responsible for the actions of anyone other than himself. The anti-gun crowd has been chomping at the bit for something that would sway people against gun owners for a long time. The preparations for the march and all the other protests likely were put into place before Trump even considered running.

Trump is no more responsible for all this craziness than the NRA is responsible for the Parkland (or any other ) school shooting.

WY_Not wrote:I say go for it.

The first ten were required in order to even get the current constitution passed. Repeal any of them and the whole thing is null and void.

Besides, they also tell government where it may not tread. By acting to repeal them they are in fact treading where they were told not to.

Repeal is not actually the plan. Desire, maybe. but expressing it is more strategic.
The net effect of Stevens' bloviating is that it puts the nuclear option on the table. Think of it in a straight line:

A--------------------------B-----------------------------C

Think of A (far left) as being the view Steven's belched forth.
Think of B as today's legal structure. ( I put it in the middle for the sake of symmetry, not expressing a view)
Think of C as Colonial America (you know, the pro-RKBA setup)

Obviously the desire of the anti's is to move B closer to A:
A------------B---------------------------------------------C

The desire of proRKBA people is to move B closer to C:
A--------------------------------------------B-------------C

The anti's are very adept at proposing outrageous concepts and instilling fear in proRKBA people that they may actually achieve their goal. Enter the NRA, Trump, GOPe and all the capitulation artists that move B somewhat closer to A while claiming victory because A and B still have a distance between them (the antis didn't get all that they wanted, so they're disappointed, yea us, we win) If Z represents the previous location of B, one sees the defeat:
A------------------B-------Z-------------------------------C

Effectively, the antis accept the win and continue fundraising, the capitulation squad claims victory in conserving Americanism and fund-raises furiously because the next election is the most important election in American History. "We simply cannot lose more ground (but, let's bolster NICS or do something to quench the thirst of the tyrant)". Both sides fund-raise on fear and don't ask you to vote FOR a candidate/agenda but against the opposite candidate/agenda.

Stevens is being disingenuous, and honorable people don't do that. Therefore, the NRA doesn't advocate the defunding of the ATF or the repeal of NFA rules (fill in your nuclear C option). There's no wake or vacuum for the capitulation of the antis to fill. There's not a credible threat of moving closer to C.
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Ironically, as I write this, Limbaugh is on the radio saying how it's not the elected officials that set the agenda or create the power structures, but that they are the pawns/puppets (his words) of the elite Deep State which runs the show. This only goes to prove my point that the election fervor is so meaningless, because the elected people are blackmailed, bribed, or otherwise controlled to generate the predetermined outcome that serves the Swamp.

Here's the previously referenced bit from Limbaugh (1:08:50-1:09:21 &1:11:10-1:11:35)

Here's the transcript:

But they do, in their own minds, they’re different, and they’re special, and they’re more knowledgeable, and they’re more worldly, and the rest of us, we’re plebes.

You know, we’re not capable of understanding all that they have to deal with. In their minds they cannot leave the running of this country up to democracy and the vote. That’s too risky because we’re too stupid, or we’re too ignorant. We don’t know all this. So regardless how elections turn out, they are gonna end up running the show....

SNIP
..."And they fully expected to have gotten rid of him in six months. They really did, folks. Not making this up. And they can’t and haven’t been able to. And they haven’t been able to derail all of his agenda. I mean, they’re at their wits’ end here. They’re getting desperate and it’s obvious if you just pay attention to what they’re saying, the areas they’re looking at and going into. It’s pure, utter desperation. They are corrupting every institution they claim to lead in an effort to get things back to normal, and that is them running things.

By the way, them, they, we don’t really know who they are. They’re not the people that get elected. The people I’m talking about. The people that run for office get elected are the pawns. The people that run for office and get elected are the ones that take instruction and follow it. That’s why it’s called deep state. At any rate, I’m really glad you called, ..."

With regard to the "deep state" I'm reminded of Jonathan Swift's flappers.

Flapper, in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels (Part 3, Chapter 2), a servant employed by someone "important" to "flap" their eyes or ears when their attention is required.
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/swift/ ... ter18.html

Robert Heinlein mentions them in one of his books.

Basically "Flappers" are the people around VIPs that control what those important personages see, hear, and say.
These councilors, secretaries, receptionists, aids, chiefs of staff, etc. hold the real power in many organizations.
They DO NOT take threats to their power lightly.
Also, I subscribe to the theory that any organization, be it a business or government, is a living organism and as such needs to feed and grow. It's in their nature. That means that a one person office soon becomes a two person office then a 10 person department, etc.
Congress critters seem to measure their power by how big their staff is. (pun intended).

I worked for as a service representative for two different companies where the service supervisors could go on vacation for a month to no effect but theur secretaries could get sick for three days and the places would fall apart.
Guess who got paid more.

Justice Stevens’s Second Amendment Pipe Dream

Former Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens, now retired, gave gun-control advocates false hope recently when he advocated repeal of the Second Amendment. Justice Stevens knows, or should know, that it can’t happen — not because the National Rifle Association is so powerful, but because 44 of the 50 states have enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in their constitutions, and it takes a vote of three-fourths of the states to approve any change in the U.S. Constitution. You do the math.

Watch the one minute video.