Defensive gun use today

[tbrew85]

Threw85....I was sort of upset at what you did because you preach the opposite in every post you post..

If your looking for a pat on the back from anyone, start practicing what you preach..

Would you mind giving me an example? Not sure that I've ever "preached" anything on here. I mean, I've been here 4 years and 4 days and this is my 820th post. Not exactly a prolific poster. And I would think I'm more in line with what Werz posted about, No one REALLY knows exactly what they would do in a given situation.

Im sorry that I upset you.

An armed society is a polite society " You need to edit your signature line...

Nah, I think Ill leave it alone.

[Werz]

I prefer to say nothing, with my typical Anton Chigurh blank expression on my face. He can do with that whatever he likes. It's certainly not anything close to a "provocation" or "fighting words" under the law. After that, it's all on him.

On this, we agree. In the few situations I have faced where someone was at the verge of physically attacking me, I have found it very effective. It is not the reaction that bullies are expecting, and for some reason which I cannot explain, they seem to know it means danger.

1. If you talk smack, maybe you're bluffing or uncertain about your own abilities.
2. If you pee yourself and go belly up, maybe there are further opportunities for "fun".
3. If you say nothing... things are more... uncertain. Maybe you're crazy. Maybe you just killed somebody. Maybe... he'd better find somebody who passes the victim selection process.

Most bullies get what they want by intimidation. When your reaction does not meet their expectations, they are in unexplored territory, and the risk suddenly exceeds the anticipated pay-off.

[carmen fovozzo]

threw85.....Stay Safe...

[DontTreadOnMe]

tbrew I'm glad it worked out for you, but I'm afraid I have to agree with those who say you went to your gun too soon. I'm not saying this to knock you, I'm saying it because I don't want you going to prison. From reading your version of the story I see probably an imminent threat of physical harm, but I don't see an imminent threat of deadly force or serious bodily harm. Despite the fact that people have died from a single punch that's so uncommon in comparison to non-deadly punches that it isn't (except in special circumstances) likely to cause death or serious bodily harm.

In fact, you may have committed Aggravated Menacing, although it sounds very unlikely the other guy will pursue this. Again I'm not bashing you, but I want to point out the possible implications of your actions as you've described them.

Last thought: Do you carry a non-deadly force option? If not you should think about doing so. As the saying goes "if all you have is a hammer ..."

Best of luck to you and glad it worked out.

[tbrew85]

threw85.....Stay Safe...

Thanks Carmen, you as well

[BobK]

I am also convinced that many of the people that post here are quick to point out errors, real or perceived, that would do the same in real life, despite their reasoned statements from the comfort of a keyboard. Most of those that will comment on this, positive or negative are not passive individuals.

I would like to clarify that you posting your scenario served as a thought-provoking stimulus for me to take a look at myself and my own tendencies, and to evaluate myself as to where I could do better or worse. None of my self evaluation was aimed as a criticism (expressed or implied) of you and your report.

That said, I like deanimator's and Werz's strategy even more, and will add that as an option.

[deanimator]

That said, I like deanimator's and Werz's strategy even more, and will add that as an option.

That approach is helped by not being at all friendly or having the slightest interest in the average person.

[rDigital]

Weakness can also invite further aggression. Bump and bite.

Idiots are super duper dangerous. Be careful.

[Tweed Ring]

When in doubt, I apply the constraints self-imposed by the Iron Triangle of Trouble (avoid bad people, bad places, and bad things) and eschew same.

[tbrew85]

tbrew I'm glad it worked out for you, but I'm afraid I have to agree with those who say you went to your gun too soon. I'm not saying this to knock you, I'm saying it because I don't want you going to prison. From reading your version of the story I see probably an imminent threat of physical harm, but I don't see an imminent threat of deadly force or serious bodily harm. Despite the fact that people have died from a single punch that's so uncommon in comparison to non-deadly punches that it isn't (except in special circumstances) likely to cause death or serious bodily harm.

In fact, you may have committed Aggravated Menacing, although it sounds very unlikely the other guy will pursue this. Again I'm not bashing you, but I want to point out the possible implications of your actions as you've described them.

Last thought: Do you carry a non-deadly force option? If not you should think about doing so. As the saying goes "if all you have is a hammer ..."

Best of luck to you and glad it worked out.

Respectfully, I Gotta disagree with most of this. I didn't draw, but I did have my hand on it ready to draw. I believe that because he quickly realized that I was prepared to defend myself, he changed his mind about exiting the vehicle. He was clearly the aggressor. Im not a small man, but he was still much larger than I. I'm certainly not required to wait until he lands a punch to my head to defend myself. When I was 20, I may have tangled with him physically if it came to that. In my 50's, it ain't happening.

[tbrew85]

When in doubt, I apply the constraints self-imposed by the Iron Triangle of Trouble (avoid bad people, bad places, and bad things) and eschew same.

I was at a gas station in a decent part of town at 5pm. Not sure that I ventured into that iron triangle. But in general, I agree with the principal.

[sodbuster95]

I would like to clarify that you posting your scenario served as a thought-provoking stimulus for me to take a look at myself and my own tendencies, and to evaluate myself as to where I could do better or worse. None of my self evaluation was aimed as a criticism (expressed or implied) of you and your report.

Which, I think, is really the benefit of this thread. So I'll just thank tbrew for posting his experience such that others may have one more scenario to consider in their heads before it happens to them.

[Tweed Ring]

It simply became the Iron Triangle. Most times, the Iron Triangle doesn't advertise its presence beforehand.

[WestonDon]

It simply became the Iron Triangle. Most times, the Iron Triangle doesn't advertise its presence beforehand.

Exactly. That's why we carry. Sometimes the Iron Triangle chases us down and bites us on the butt before we even know it's there.

[Tweed Ring]

That's why my hyper-vigilance can be an advantage to me - I'm always looking...