Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
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Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
I was asked to do a presentation on firearm laws impacting fairs during the OFMA’s yearly conference. The session had a good turnout. Standing room only. I’d say 95% of the crowd raised their hands when I asked who had their CHL.
We talked about 9.68, preemption, lawsuits and how to avoid them and what fair boards can and cannot legally do in regards to legally armed citizens at fairs. I only had @50 minutes so I crammed a bunch of info in and answered some questions.
There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.
I’ve been asked to come back next year to speak again.
We talked about 9.68, preemption, lawsuits and how to avoid them and what fair boards can and cannot legally do in regards to legally armed citizens at fairs. I only had @50 minutes so I crammed a bunch of info in and answered some questions.
There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.
I’ve been asked to come back next year to speak again.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
Well done and thank you for presenting the side of legal carrying.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
Great work! I hope they act on keeping that signage down all across Ohio. Maybe they should just toss the things away and not ever order more?
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
Thank you!
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
Well done xp
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
They have asked me to come back and speak again. If you know of specific counties that are still in violation of 9.68, please let me know. Also let me know if there have been any other fair related issues.
Thanks
Thanks
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
What is the timing and are the forums the only way folks can contact you on this?
( I may be copying lots of private messages)
Thanks!
( I may be copying lots of private messages)
Thanks!
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What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of GOD, I will do."- Edward Everett Hale (descendant of Nathan Hale)
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
First weekend in January. I’ll happily supply my email via PM if you want.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
You can "hope", but don't hold your breath.Brian D. wrote:Great work! I hope they act on keeping that signage down all across Ohio. Maybe they should just toss the things away and not ever order more?
"Tossing the signs" would be WAY to easy
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
Could the Fair Managers designate the building as "Primarily Shelters" or "Primarily Restrooms"?xpd54 wrote:
There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
First check the definitions as to whether the buildings fall into the government facility category. If not, only removal of the signs is necessary.Suckerspawn wrote:Could the Fair Managers designate the building as "Primarily Shelters" or "Primarily Restrooms"?xpd54 wrote:
There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
I put it on Facebook and we have about a half dozen in eight hours.xpd54 wrote:First weekend in January. I’ll happily supply my email via PM if you want.
So go ahead and PM that email address if you want
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"Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company. " - George Washington
"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.
And because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the something I can do.
What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of GOD, I will do."- Edward Everett Hale (descendant of Nathan Hale)
"Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company. " - George Washington
"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.
And because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the something I can do.
What I can do, I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of GOD, I will do."- Edward Everett Hale (descendant of Nathan Hale)
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
PM sentChuck wrote:I put it on Facebook and we have about a half dozen in eight hours.xpd54 wrote:First weekend in January. I’ll happily supply my email via PM if you want.
So go ahead and PM that email address if you want
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
The presentation went well. I had quite a few discussions with fair board members who were interested in getting CCW approved in the fair buildings as well. All in all, the folks who attended the presentation appeared to be pro gun folks. There were a couple of fairs that have already approved CCW in the buildings. I can’t remember which ones though. I talked to a lot of people.
I’ll be honest though, while updating the presentation I have come to believe that the new version of 2923.1212 is worse than what we had before. The new version says they must post signs “in the premises” and does not specifically say on the buildings. Well, “premises” used elsewhere in the ORC includes the whole property, not just the buildings.
And yes, I think the whole signage thing is stupid and should go away.
I’ll be honest though, while updating the presentation I have come to believe that the new version of 2923.1212 is worse than what we had before. The new version says they must post signs “in the premises” and does not specifically say on the buildings. Well, “premises” used elsewhere in the ORC includes the whole property, not just the buildings.
I think the current version of the law does a better job of specifying exactly where the signs should go....shall post in one or more conspicuous locations “in the premises” a sign....
And yes, I think the whole signage thing is stupid and should go away.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation
Just to bring this discussion up again, the Fair Board Assoc. should be made aware of the changes in law, (not that it's OUR job to tell them), sos they don't get sued over their signage and or policies, now that it's worth taking them to court.
I will be contacting Stark co. this year about their signage on their fences.
I will be contacting Stark co. this year about their signage on their fences.
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