Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

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Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby xpd54 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:20 pm

I was asked to do a presentation on firearm laws impacting fairs during the OFMA’s yearly conference. The session had a good turnout. Standing room only. I’d say 95% of the crowd raised their hands when I asked who had their CHL.

We talked about 9.68, preemption, lawsuits and how to avoid them and what fair boards can and cannot legally do in regards to legally armed citizens at fairs. I only had @50 minutes so I crammed a bunch of info in and answered some questions.

There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.

I’ve been asked to come back next year to speak again.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby Javelin Man » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:38 pm

Well done and thank you for presenting the side of legal carrying.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby Brian D. » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:13 am

Great work! I hope they act on keeping that signage down all across Ohio. Maybe they should just toss the things away and not ever order more?
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby Chuck » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:15 am

Thank you!
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby AV8TOR » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:42 am

Well done xp
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby xpd54 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:45 pm

They have asked me to come back and speak again. If you know of specific counties that are still in violation of 9.68, please let me know. Also let me know if there have been any other fair related issues.

Thanks
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby Chuck » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:59 pm

What is the timing and are the forums the only way folks can contact you on this?

( I may be copying lots of private messages)

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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby xpd54 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:32 pm

First weekend in January. I’ll happily supply my email via PM if you want.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:43 pm

Brian D. wrote:Great work! I hope they act on keeping that signage down all across Ohio. Maybe they should just toss the things away and not ever order more?


You can "hope", but don't hold your breath.

"Tossing the signs" would be WAY to easy
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby Suckerspawn » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:46 am

xpd54 wrote:

There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.



Could the Fair Managers designate the building as "Primarily Shelters" or "Primarily Restrooms"?
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby schmieg » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:52 pm

Suckerspawn wrote:
xpd54 wrote:

There were quite a few that were interested in finding out how to change the rules (under SB 199 changes) so they can allow carry into fair buildings.



Could the Fair Managers designate the building as "Primarily Shelters" or "Primarily Restrooms"?

First check the definitions as to whether the buildings fall into the government facility category. If not, only removal of the signs is necessary.
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby Chuck » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:40 pm

xpd54 wrote:First weekend in January. I’ll happily supply my email via PM if you want.


I put it on Facebook and we have about a half dozen in eight hours.

So go ahead and PM that email address if you want
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby xpd54 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:10 am

Chuck wrote:
xpd54 wrote:First weekend in January. I’ll happily supply my email via PM if you want.


I put it on Facebook and we have about a half dozen in eight hours.

So go ahead and PM that email address if you want


PM sent
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Re: Ohio Fair Managers Association presentation

Postby xpd54 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:14 am

The presentation went well. I had quite a few discussions with fair board members who were interested in getting CCW approved in the fair buildings as well. All in all, the folks who attended the presentation appeared to be pro gun folks. There were a couple of fairs that have already approved CCW in the buildings. I can’t remember which ones though. I talked to a lot of people.

I’ll be honest though, while updating the presentation I have come to believe that the new version of 2923.1212 is worse than what we had before. The new version says they must post signs “in the premises” and does not specifically say on the buildings. Well, “premises” used elsewhere in the ORC includes the whole property, not just the buildings.

...shall post in one or more conspicuous locations “in the premises” a sign....


I think the current version of the law does a better job of specifying exactly where the signs should go.

And yes, I think the whole signage thing is stupid and should go away.
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