Pretty obvious that I have never really looked at a Glock, eh?Mr. Glock wrote:Glock carrying cops will just stare at it....now, Sig and Beretta carrying cops might think of a decocker.
Oh, and my Sig has a safety. It's a 1911 style.
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Pretty obvious that I have never really looked at a Glock, eh?Mr. Glock wrote:Glock carrying cops will just stare at it....now, Sig and Beretta carrying cops might think of a decocker.
He stopped reading studies too soon. He missed the one done by Drake's gun works (results referenced here) showing primer ignition from as little as 4', and that was using an extra strength firing pin spring. Also the one referenced in post # 2 here showing discharges at 6 feet. Or the very well documented real world incident I referenced a few pages back where the gun dropped from about waist height.Mustang380gal wrote:From the studies that he has read, the gun has to land on the muzzle flat downward from 11 feet before the firing pin will strike. It is not from any fall, but a fall from 11 FEET flat onto the muzzle at a 90 degree angle to the ground. The gun has to hit a hard surface like cement, not dirt. When it lands, if it would go off, it is pointing DOWN.
It had a hammer block, but it could be rendered inoperable if dirt, grease, etc. got inside the mechanism. After a sailor was killed when one was dropped and discharged S&W redesigned the lock.Bama.45 wrote:If you drop some revolvers from around the same era that don't have a transfer bar or hammer block in them, they can go off...There was a Victory model .38 dropped and landed on a the hard deck of a Navy ship and went off...They started putting hammer blocks in S&W around 1945.
And yet, an MRI magnet bore can defeat a Colt Series 80 firing pin safety. There are no guarantees.DontTreadOnMe wrote:He stopped reading studies too soon. He missed the one done by Drake's gun works (results referenced here) showing primer ignition from as little as 4', and that was using an extra strength firing pin spring. Also the one referenced in post # 2 here showing discharges at 6 feet. Or the very well documented real world incident I referenced a few pages back where the gun dropped from about waist height.Mustang380gal wrote:From the studies that he has read, the gun has to land on the muzzle flat downward from 11 feet before the firing pin will strike. It is not from any fall, but a fall from 11 FEET flat onto the muzzle at a 90 degree angle to the ground. The gun has to hit a hard surface like cement, not dirt. When it lands, if it would go off, it is pointing DOWN.
Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP)
Yesterday at 1:21pm ·
An update on the 1911’s…IT HAS PASSED THE SENATE!
The legislation has passed both the House and Senate. It will now head to the President’s desk for signature. If signed, we will meet with Army to develop procedures. All of this will take time. We have no further information. When information becomes available we will communicate with our customers.
Thank you,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
No clue how long this will take to actually implement and for them to start selling.On November 25th, 2015, President Barack Obama has signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act of 2016, included in which is a provision for the Civilian Marksmanship to sell 1911 handguns to the United States shooting public. The bill includes Section 1087, which allows the transfer of handguns from the United States Army to the Civilian Marksmanship program, and the subsequent distribution of those handguns to members of CMP-affiliated clubs:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-con ... ultIndex=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;In final markup, the bill kept the original recommendations in Section 311 and added a few more including a provision ordering that, within 90 days of the bill becoming law, the Army would transfer almost all of the surplus guns it held at Anniston to Rock Island for meltdown. The only exceptions would be for up to 2,000 M1911 pistols and 2,000 M14 rifles that could be donated to military museums for preservation.
subtitle E—Other matters
SEC. 331. Repurposing and reuse of surplus military firearms.
(a) Army transfers.—
(1) REQUIRED TRANSFER.—Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the Secretary of the Army shall transfer to Rock Island Arsenal all excess firearms, related spare parts and components, small arms ammunition, and ammunition components currently stored at Defense Distribution Depot, Anniston, Alabama, that are no longer actively issued for military service.
(2) REPURPOSING AND REUSE.—The items specified for transfer under paragraph (1) shall be melted and repurposed for military use as determined by the Secretary of the Army, including—
(A) the re-forging of new firearms or their components; and
(B) force protection barriers and security bollards.
(3) TRANSFER FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES.—Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Secretary may transfer up to 2,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and 2,000 M–14 Rifles to a military museum for display and preservation.
(4) ITEMS EXEMPT FROM TRANSFER.—M–1 Garand and caliber .22 rimfire rifles are not subject to the transfer requirement under paragraph (1).
(b) Navy transfers.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
“(i) Authorized Navy transfers.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding subsections (a) and (b), the Secretary of the Navy may transfer to the corporation, in accordance with the procedures prescribed in this subchapter, M–1 Garand and caliber .22 rimfire rifles held within the inventories of the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps and stored at Defense Distribution Depot, Anniston, Alabama, or Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane, Indiana, as of the date of the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017.
“(2) USE AS MARKSMANSHIP TROPHIES.—The items specified for transfer under paragraph (1) shall be used as awards for competitors in marksmanship competitions held by the United States Marine Corps or the United States Navy and may not be resold.”.
The Senate version of the bill now heads to be reconciled against the House measure which included an amendment (Sect. 1092) from U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers, an Alabama Republican who represents the Anniston area, mandating the Army speed up the transfer of the M1911s earmarked for the CMP past the initial 10,000 authorized by last year’s spending bill.