CBus: 1 dead by M1 Garand, accidental

[Sevens]

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Strange -- according to the story, guys come home from a night of drinking at the bar, get out the M1 Garand, 26-year old gets accidentally shot-- in the upper arm and dies from the wound three hours later.

Not a great idea to play with the guns upon returning from the bar.

[Naticarry]

Not a great idea to play with the guns upon returning from the bar.

Failing on that count at least follow the NRA's 3 rules. It's a little sketchy on the details but I am going to guess a good chunk of his arm must have been missing to cause him to die from blood loss? Not sure what a point blank 30-06 wound looks like but I am going to guess it's not pretty.

[Brian D.]

Keep in mind that hitting an artery, and not being able to stop the bleeding, will certainly lead to death from exsanguination in a matter of time. Wonder if these guys called for help right away?

Now here's Brian D.'s Helpful Fire/EMS Tip Of The Day...to control arm or leg bleeding there are three methods to use, in this order: Direct pressure, pressure dressing, and then tourniquet. If the bleeding isn't easily stopped with direct pressure, it's time to start thinking about dialing for professional help. If the response time is gonna be lengthy, use the time to try the pressure dressing and finally a tourniquet for whomever you're helping.

I'll let y'all look up "pressure dressing" for yourselves so you get the technique explained with pictures instead of just my written description. Heck you might even learn something else along the way.

Reason I brought it up to begin with is to mention that no, using a tourniquet is NOT off the table as an option, in the short term anyhow. Many people seem to believe that any use of a tourniquet will lead to amputation of the limb so wrapped. That would be true if the tourniquet was used for a longer time, but not so much if it's say two hours or less, which would easily be a normal parameter for getting somebody to a decent hospital in this part of the world. Okay, in most cases. Yeah, you're hiking someplace several miles from help, no communications to get EMS closer to you, different story.

[BobK]

Not sure what a point blank 30-06 wound looks like but I am going to guess it's not pretty.

Yeah, 30.06 has a long history of killin' Japs, Krauts, and commies!

[ohiophotog]

Keep in mind that hitting an artery, and not being able to stop the bleeding, will certainly lead to death from exsanguination in a matter of time. Wonder if these guys called for help right away?

Now here's Brian D.'s Helpful Fire/EMS Tip Of The Day...to control arm or leg bleeding there are three methods to use, in this order: Direct pressure, pressure dressing, and then tourniquet. If the bleeding isn't easily stopped with direct pressure, it's time to start thinking about dialing for professional help. If the response time is gonna be lengthy, use the time to try the pressure dressing and finally a tourniquet for whomever you're helping.

I'll let y'all look up "pressure dressing" for yourselves so you get the technique explained with pictures instead of just my written description. Heck you might even learn something else along the way.

Reason I brought it up to begin with is to mention that no, using a tourniquet is NOTES off the table as an option, in the short term anyhow. Many people seem to believe that any use of a tourniquet will lead to amputation of the limb so wrapped. That would be true if the tourniquet was used for a longer time, but not so much if it's say two hours or less, which would easily be a normal parameter for getting somebody to a decent hospital in this part of the world. Okay, in most cases. Yeah, you're hiking someplace several miles from help, no communications to get EMS closer to you, different story.

Maybe a little off topic but in line with Brian's post. I used to work at a machine shop it the Dayton area. January of 2012 one of my co workers who had been doing this for longer than I have been alive and is very good at what he does and usually very safe about his work darn near died because of lack of attention to safety measures. He got his arm caught in a bore hole of a part on a horizontal lathe. The boring are was backed out but not all the way. One thing lead to another and his are got wrapped around the boring arm with the machine spinning. It tore up his hand and forearm really bad. Had it not been for the quick thinking and reactions of several others he would likely have died. One employee realized how fast he was bleeding and how much had already been lost and used his belt to stop blood flow somewhere between the elbow and shoulder. The surgeon later said that had that belt not been applied as quickly as it was or at all he would have likely lost his arm or his life. The injured employee is still going through reconstructive surgeries and will never have full use of his hand but they expect 80-90% recovery.

May not be a good option for many situations but for those chosen few it is exactly what is needed.

[Klingon00]

Some people talk about shoulder injuries being just a "flesh wound" but there is a MAJOR artery that runs through there to the upper arm that if punctured can be extremely difficult to stop the blood flow because of the skeletal structure there. Death can occur in minutes.

[TSiWRX]

Some people talk about shoulder injuries being just a "flesh wound" but there is a MAJOR artery that runs through there to the upper arm that if punctured can be extremely difficult to stop the blood flow because of the skeletal structure there. Death can occur in minutes.

[Klingon00]

Thanks

[mreising]

The husband of a woman I worked with in Missouri was shot in the shoulder, from the rear, while driving his truck. It was a 30-06; I believe a bolt gun. He almost died and was hospitalized several weeks and had reconstructive surgery and months of rehabilitation to regain the use of his arm.The shot was taken from a distance away but probably less than 100 yards. He had the misfortune to own a pickup truck that was similar to one owned by a union official that someone had a beef with.

[stew47]

Shoulder injury is tough. Depends where at tourniquets would be of no use once the injury is chest and not extremity. Direct pressure becomes useless, elevation no good, no pressure points, and coagulating dressings like quick clot may not work. Only option then is surgery. However in Cbus he would've had world class trauma care. Sadly they didn't utilize it.

[QuackXP]

Some people talk about shoulder injuries being just a "flesh wound" but there is a MAJOR artery that runs through there to the upper arm that if punctured can be extremely difficult to stop the blood flow because of the skeletal structure there. Death can occur in minutes.

I can think of two times on screen characters have died from specifically referenced Femoral artery injuries. Black Hawk Down and Band Of Brothers. There are probably more I cant remember. But I cant even count how many times you see characters in film and TV get shot in the shoulder and keep right on going like nothing happened.

I can see because of this people thinking shoulder and upper arm gunshots are only flesh wounds.

[yogidave]

Not sure what a point blank 30-06 wound looks like but I am going to guess it's not pretty.

Yeah, 30.06 has a long history of killin' Japs, Krauts, and commies!