bignflnut wrote:JustaShooter wrote:I think you are misreading (or misrepresenting) this article. This has nothing to do with an updated database, and nothing to do with past NICS check results. This is simply what happens when a NICS check takes longer than 3 days, the gun store completes the sale, and the NICS check finally comes back Deny. At that point, they tell the FBI to go retrieve the firearm.
I certainly could be misunderstanding the article, it's the USA Today, so I'm not certain the authors comprehend what they're writing.
What's the basis to "retrieve the firearm"? A database said so? Is someone prosecuted at this point for an illegal purchase? Is the buyer compensated for the cancellation of the transaction? Does the selling company refund the cash/credit? Does the seller get the weapon returned (inventory replenished as "new"?) Seems complicated...but I could misunderstand the process...
Are other firearms, perhaps gained in private transactions, also up for "retrieval" on this basis? Why or why not?
We've so completely accepted the lie that guns are dangerous and therefore we have to compromise with the antis so that WE seem politically/socially reasonable
(be a cool kid, come on, just do it), appealing to the power of the State to approve our RKBA instead of foundational
Negative Rights. Now we have to PROVE that we're qualified to simply POSSESS a thing.
NICS is repugnant to RKBA, commerce and so much else
(False idol/savior). Shall we subject due process rights to a database? Freedom of assembly? Why we continue to feed that Beast is beyond me.
Bottom line they are retrieving them because the buyer was found to be a prohibited person.
How, when, and why this was discovered is not clear from the article.
Lack of follow up on NICS denials has been an issue from day one....the govt has said "they do not have time" to do so.
There should be a Legislative fix for this but as always legislation is fraught with peril these days.
Something as simple as requiring the FBI/NICS folks to issue a written determination to the person denied within 30 days might help.
There is a "UPIN kit" that they have avail for people who get delayed a lot due to having a name in common with some person who has an extensive criminal history, that allows NICS to retain a file on the applicant containing the material they dug up that shows "this Joe Blow is not the serial bank robber Joe Blow".
If more folks who get delayed a lot got UPIN then that would free up resources for them to look into delays that truly should be looked into to meet the letter of the law.
The RKBA issues are completely valid...I do not disagree, BUT while legislation stands that requires NICS....the program should be implemented as the law is written.
They also allow "Pre Pawn" NICS checks too....so that a person who might want to pawn a gun can find out if they will pass NICS when they pay off the loan. I suppose some of the 4,000 could be pre pawn NICS ?? They pretty much establish that a prohibited person has a gun they are trying to pawn ??
Bill