Following the NRA’s statement favoring ATF regulatory action on bump stocks versus Congressional action on gun control, Ohioans for Concealed Carry warned that the NRA’s move lays down “cover” for pro-gun control Republicans whose behavior is usually checked by a strong NRA stand.
In other words, Republicans who have expressed openness to gun control following the Las Vegas attack do not have the normal degree of pro-gun pressure on them because the NRA quickly acquiesced to the option of ATF regulation over their old mantra of “Stand and Fight.”
Gun Rights Group: NRA’s Support of Regulation Is Laying Down
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Re: Gun Rights Group: NRA’s Support of Regulation Is Laying
Ooops
The went ahead and stepped in it.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/35476 ... ump-stocks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The went ahead and stepped in it.
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Looks like NRA's plan to keep this in the administrative realm and out of Congress has failed miserably. Who would have thought it.
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Re: Gun Rights Group: NRA’s Support of Regulation Is Laying
If they had left it at recommending another BATFE review, I could understand it and accepted it as a positioning move since we all know the likely outcome would be the same as previous reviews. But as soon as they followed with the statement that the NRA believes they should be subject to additional regulation, they crossed the line. They *had* to know this would give cover to new proposed laws to *regulate* them. I want to say bad words that will get automatically filtered by the form software. A lot of them. Directed at the NRA and the boot-lickers who decided now was the time to back down.
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Well, that will certainly give pause to anyone planning mass murder and then suicide afterwards.Violations of a bump stock ban under Curbelo and Moulton’s bill would result in up to five years in prison, fines or both.
The legislation authored by Cicilline and Titus, meanwhile, would punish bump stock ban violators with up to 10 years in prison.
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Re: Gun Rights Group: NRA’s Support of Regulation Is Laying
In the same vein, ATF refused to approve a thing called the "Auto Glove" just a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/?s=auto+glove" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here's a thought....
If ATF and our congress critters want to regulate the bump stocks and duplex triggers, fine.
Add them to the NFA.
BUT....remove the Hughes amendment to the FOPA , suppressors from the NFA, give us a amnesty period for registration of bump stocks AND the class 3
trophies that have been brought home over the years, tax free.
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Here's a thought....
If ATF and our congress critters want to regulate the bump stocks and duplex triggers, fine.
Add them to the NFA.
BUT....remove the Hughes amendment to the FOPA , suppressors from the NFA, give us a amnesty period for registration of bump stocks AND the class 3
trophies that have been brought home over the years, tax free.
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Good, those devices are dangerous I'm glad they're supporting making them harder to get... Full auto and bump stocks have no place in private hands IMO.
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Stand and Fight??
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Re: Gun Rights Group: NRA’s Support of Regulation Is Laying
Sure the Second Amendment was never meant to protect the country from enemies foreign and domestic. It's just about hunting and shooting clays. We should be limited to BB guns and bolt action .22sImcrazy wrote:Good, those devices are dangerous I'm glad they're supporting making them harder to get... Full auto and bump stocks have no place in private hands IMO.
Even the government realized that full auto was protected, the 1934 NFA did not make them illegal, just controlled their use with a lengthy tax process.
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Even if this was a rational argument (and I don't believe it is), they aren't planning on making them "harder to get" they are planning on banning them entirely. And even worse, the bill presented to Congress goes far beyond banning bump stocks. The way the bill is written it could effectively ban just about any aftermarket trigger or action parts and improvements.Imcrazy wrote:Good, those devices are dangerous I'm glad they're supporting making them harder to get... Full auto and bump stocks have no place in private hands IMO.
But back to your original premise:
What exactly is dangerous about them? Please, be specific and help me understand what you consider dangerous about them, and why they "have no place in private hands".Imcrazy wrote:those devices are dangerous ... bump stocks have no place in private hands
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You do realize that the 2nd Amendment was about making sure that an out of control government could be reined in, right? The writers were the ones who had defeated the greatest military of their time. Not everyone would need a full-auto of course, but if some want it, why shouldn't they have it? Liberty and all...Imcrazy wrote:Good, those devices are dangerous I'm glad they're supporting making them harder to get... Full auto and bump stocks have no place in private hands IMO.
Unfortunately, we may have let the .gov go too far to rein in. I can see the majority of Americans happily turning over the Arisaka that great granddad brought back fro the Pacific.
I would love to have a full auto, and afford to shoot it. Alas, I have kids, not money, and have to be content with semi-auto.
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Aren't internal magazines very dangerous?OhioPaints wrote: Sure the Second Amendment was never meant to protect the country from enemies foreign and domestic. It's just about hunting and shooting clays. We should be limited to BB guns and bolt action .22s
Bolt action might be operated very quickly, so as to simulate semi-auto, which simulates full-auto, fire.
Therefore only break-action 22s should be allowed. (*sarcasm indicated by non-black color*)
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Re: Gun Rights Group: NRA’s Support of Regulation Is Laying
About time someone said this^. Repealing NFA34 is the holy grail of 2A advocacy IMHO.OhioPaints wrote:
Even the government realized that full auto was protected, the 1934 NFA did not make them illegal, just controlled their use with a lengthy tax process.
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The only way to ban bump firing is to ban all semi-auto weapons. If the ATF rules that owning a bumpstock and a semi-auto firearm is illegal then it should be illegal to own rubberbands and semi-auto firearms because you can bump fire with a rubberband. Some people can bump fire without any modifications.Imcrazy wrote:Good, those devices are dangerous I'm glad they're supporting making them harder to get... Full auto and bump stocks have no place in private hands IMO.
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You guys kill me... The second any regulation is mentioned so many people think we'll all be running muzzleloaders by next week... Banning a vanity toy isn't going to infringe on anyone's right to defend themselves from enemies foreign or domestic.
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