new ATF procedures for FFL handling private sales

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new ATF procedures for FFL handling private sales

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Interesting. Looks like this is telling me to never leave the firearm I am selling with the FFL, otherwise if the sale id denied, they have to 4473, and background check to transfer my own firearm back to me.. Don't know what the procedure was before so I don't know what the changes are.

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I don't think that is different from before...when your firearm enters the FFLs book, you have to do a 4473 to get it back out of the book.
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The 4473 had a section added for "private transfers", but now it sounds like they want the firearms information recorded.
Only way to do that is to transfer it into the dealers inventory so they have a record of who it came from as well as having the serial numbers involved.
Smells fishy to me.
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JimE wrote: Smells fishy to me.

Ditto that ^^
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Its the same as ever. Once its in our book, except if it is in for repair, a it has to go through the process to give it back. Same as when we have consigned guns and they dont sell, the consigner comes to get them..... they have to do paperwork.

Interesting side note, if its a repair and a different person picks it up, they have to do the 4473 to get it (happens when a spouse picks up a repaired gun for the other etc). The interesting part is that this is the one and only time they do NOT say a Yes or No to the "Are you the actual buyer of the firearm?" question (11.a) , they leave it blank and do not answer.
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Wouldn't the answer be Yes? At least here in Ohio? Thought we were a community property state. What is mine is hers and what is hers is mine. Although most of the time you hear it as "what is hers is hers and what is his is hers." :mrgreen:
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The spouse was just an example, could be a buddy etc too.
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WY_Not wrote:Wouldn't the answer be Yes? At least here in Ohio? Thought we were a community property state. What is mine is hers and what is hers is mine. Although most of the time you hear it as "what is hers is hers and what is his is hers." :mrgreen:
IANAL, etc.

But according to this and the section of the O.R.C. referenced:

" All of the property acquired by a couple during marriage is considered marital property and thus subject to division during the divorce process. Some states (not including Ohio) recognize "community property," in which all property is jointly owned..."

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