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Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby bignflnut » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:12 am

U.S. Virgin Islands Gov. Kenneth Mapp signed an emergency order allowing the seizure of private guns, ammunition, explosives and property the National Guard may need to respond to Hurricane Irma.

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The National Hurricane Center is calling the storm “extremely dangerous.” Weather forecasters say Irma is headed towards the Florida coastline, and should bring devastating conditions to the region in the next four or five days.

GOP Florida Gov. Rick Scott and Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló both declared states of emergencies in anticipation of Irma.


Dated article makes the point:

The United States has been in an uninterrupted state of national emergency since 1979. Here in 2014, we're not dealing with just one emergency - there are currently 30 of them in effect.

That's according to data on presidential declarations of emergency compiled by Gregory Korte of USA Today. "Those emergencies, declared by the president by proclamation or executive order, give the president extraordinary powers — to seize property, call up the National Guard and hire and fire military officers at will," Korte writes.

Toss out the laws, we're in a state of emergency...
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby Javelin Man » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:26 am

So... the National Guard cannot bring their own guns, explosives, ammunition, etc. to help out so they need to seize private caches? How is that to help the rescue effort?
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby Mr. Glock » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:32 am

"If you register your guns, it is for safety. We don't want to take your gun" said every anti-2A gun control advocate in history.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby bignflnut » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:55 am

Excellent point....there is a registry for long guns and handguns...permit to purchase arms and/or ammo...
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Postby AlanM » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:49 pm

Did the Katrina bill ever get passed in Ohio?
I need to check Virginia law.
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Postby yogidave » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:28 pm

I was talking to one of the guys that was mobilized to go to Katrina, they were ordered to seize weapons. The Platoon Sgt's put out that if any weapons were taken out of home they would be dealt with. His theory was if residents were able to go back home they would be able to protect themselves and loved ones and it is not right to take other peoples property.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby Mr. Glock » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:14 pm

yogidave wrote:I was talking to one of the guys that was mobilized to go to Katrina, they were ordered to seize weapons. The Platoon Sgt's put out that if any weapons were taken out of home they would be dealt with. His theory was if residents were able to go back home they would be able to protect themselves and loved ones and it is not right to take other peoples property.


The NJ State Police did not see it that way. I remember a photo / story of an older black woman who lived in a questionable neighborhood handing over an old and worn revolver to the NJ cops (who were helping out down there). They asked her if she had a gun. She said yes, she was protected and showed it to them. And then they took it. Always wondered and hoped she made it through after the NJ cops took her only home protection. All good that we send charity, I wished I could have sent her one of my Glocks.
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Postby ArmedAviator » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:24 pm

Why noone uses the 2nd Amendment as intended in these situations is beyond me.

Sorry, but nothing gets the point across of "come and get them" faster than flying lead. It just takes one to motivate a community to resist unlawful orders.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby Brian D. » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:34 am

AlanM wrote:Did the Katrina bill ever get passed in Ohio?
I need to check Virginia law.


I seem to remember that bill withering on the vine here in Ohio, but I could be wrong. In any event the language in it didn't sound strong enough regarding consequences for those agencies who might ignore it.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby WestonDon » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:34 am

Mr. Glock wrote:
yogidave wrote:I was talking to one of the guys that was mobilized to go to Katrina, they were ordered to seize weapons. The Platoon Sgt's put out that if any weapons were taken out of home they would be dealt with. His theory was if residents were able to go back home they would be able to protect themselves and loved ones and it is not right to take other peoples property.


The NJ State Police did not see it that way. I remember a photo / story of an older black woman who lived in a questionable neighborhood handing over an old and worn revolver to the NJ cops (who were helping out down there). They asked her if she had a gun. She said yes, she was protected and showed it to them. And then they took it. Always wondered and hoped she made it through after the NJ cops took her only home protection. All good that we send charity, I wished I could have sent her one of my Glocks.


I haven't heard any reports of anyone trying this crap in Texas. Wonder why?
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby WestonDon » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:19 am

ArmedAviator wrote:Why noone uses the 2nd Amendment as intended in these situations is beyond me.

Sorry, but nothing gets the point across of "come and get them" faster than flying lead. It just takes one to motivate a community to resist unlawful orders.


Probably because getting into an unwinnable gunfight with an overwhelming force is not helpful to the mission of taking care of one's family, which is one's first responsibility in a natural disaster.

You raise a valid point however. This is why we need a strong "Katrina bill", plus NO registration.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby bignflnut » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:40 am

WestonDon wrote:You raise a valid point however. This is why we need a strong "Katrina bill", plus NO registration.


Isn't the current process to obtain Concealed Carry Permit / License a registration of sorts? Don't you think they'd know who has handguns (at least)?
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby Mr. Glock » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:40 am

bignflnut wrote:
WestonDon wrote:You raise a valid point however. This is why we need a strong "Katrina bill", plus NO registration.


Isn't the current process to obtain Concealed Carry Permit / License a registration of sorts? Don't you think they'd know who has handguns (at least)?


To some extent, but a minor one. A CHL says you probably own one gun (at least, but that is a floor). Registration means they come to your house with a list of serial numbers to collect all your guns or you go to jail ( not helpful to your family in an emergency).

One should be ready for your scenario however., since that is how Hillary/Feinstien would do it if they could.

Good to see the NRA is stepping in legally. The NRA is not perfect, but it is pretty much all we've got in a powerful NGO fighting for the little guy.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby WY_Not » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:40 am

The NRA stepping in is a bit late.

The case was for the most part settled in 1901 in Downes vs Bidwell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downes_v._Bidwell). Not settled well but it was settled.

Justice John Marshall Harlan did make an excellent point though...

"The idea prevails with some, indeed it has expression in arguments at the bar, that we have in this country substantially two national governments; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to.... I take leave to say that, if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system will result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism.... It will be an evil day for American Liberty if the theory of a government outside the Supreme Law of the Land finds lodgment in our Constitutional Jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the Constitution."

Basically, Congress might have the authority to make laws governing territories but Congress is still bound by the U.S. Constitution.
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Re: Virgin Islands declares emergency, pwr to take guns

Postby ArmedAviator » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:48 am

WestonDon wrote:
ArmedAviator wrote:Why noone uses the 2nd Amendment as intended in these situations is beyond me.

Sorry, but nothing gets the point across of "come and get them" faster than flying lead. It just takes one to motivate a community to resist unlawful orders.


Probably because getting into an unwinnable gunfight with an overwhelming force is not helpful to the mission of taking care of one's family, which is one's first responsibility in a natural disaster.


No doubt it'd likely not end well for the first few dissenters, but still if you can't commit to what we preach than why preach it at all? So much for the "cold dead hands" sentiment many of us spout around all willy-nilly. (Not directed at any one person, mind you. I mean this in general)

Just remember, our forefathers did not politely protest the British. They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king, march on the Capitol, or ask permission for their rights. They f***king shot them.
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