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Re: The Trojan Horse that is Trump

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bignflnut wrote:Fellas,
I posted a quote from a story.

Take it up with those authors and/or cite your own stories that make your point.

Is it so difficult to admit that he botched that moment?
Is it so difficult to admit that you might need to reevaluate your sources?
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Take 2...
Republican nominee Donald Trump appeared at first blush to deviate from gun-rights orthodoxy in this week’s presidential debate when he agreed with Democrat Hillary Clinton that people on terror watch lists should potentially be barred from buying guns.

By reaffirming that position Monday—with millions watching and at a pivotal point in the campaign—Mr. Trump underlined the rarity of a GOP nominee taking anything but an unrelenting position regarding gun rights.

“I agree with you,” Mr. Trump told Mrs. Clinton. “I think we have to look very strongly at no-fly lists and watch lists.”

But Mr. Trump quickly aligned himself with the National Rifle Association by adding that he favors what the NRA views as due-process safeguards, which critics say would allow many on the federal government’s lists to buy guns anyway.
They go on to say how the NRA and Gunowners of America are good with the comments...
It's a nuanced position that you simple rubes, who want honesty, can't comprehend. (keep this out of the spotlight, because it hurts our numbers...we've addressed it and put it to bed as a potential issue between the two)
So, don't worry...Schmieg and Werz have found our Saviour.
What could possibly go wrong?
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bignflnut wrote:So, don't worry...Schmieg and Werz have found our Saviour.
What could possibly go wrong?
Nothing will go wrong as long as you continue wearing your tin foil beanie. :lol:
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No fly no buy list, even with due process is nonsense. Process already exists to figure out if someone can buy a gun or not
Conservative presidential candidate is in favor of this list
He also likes stop and frisk and tarriffs

Sure. What could go wrong
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true_pair wrote:No fly no buy list, even with due process is nonsense. Process already exists to figure out if someone can buy a gun or not
Conservative presidential candidate is in favor of this list
He also likes stop and frisk and tarriffs

Sure. What could go wrong
What's the problem with stop and frisk? I agree with you on tariffs, but that is an economic judgment call.
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bignflnut wrote:Take 2...
Republican nominee Donald Trump appeared at first blush to deviate from gun-rights orthodoxy in this week’s presidential debate when he agreed with Democrat Hillary Clinton that people on terror watch lists should potentially be barred from buying guns.

By reaffirming that position Monday—with millions watching and at a pivotal point in the campaign—Mr. Trump underlined the rarity of a GOP nominee taking anything but an unrelenting position regarding gun rights.

“I agree with you,” Mr. Trump told Mrs. Clinton. “I think we have to look very strongly at no-fly lists and watch lists.”

But Mr. Trump quickly aligned himself with the National Rifle Association by adding that he favors what the NRA views as due-process safeguards, which critics say would allow many on the federal government’s lists to buy guns anyway.
They go on to say how the NRA and Gunowners of America are good with the comments...
It's a nuanced position that you simple rubes, who want honesty, can't comprehend. (keep this out of the spotlight, because it hurts our numbers...we've addressed it and put it to bed as a potential issue between the two)
So, don't worry...Schmieg and Werz have found our Saviour.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Werz wrote: Nothing will go wrong as long as you continue wearing your tin foil beanie. :lol:
Not an argument
Glad that shiny things amuse/comfort you. :lol:
Thanks for not disagreeing with my argument.
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schmieg wrote:What's the problem with stop and frisk?
People have forgotten about Terry v. Ohio, just like they have forgotten about the character assassinations Hillary performed on her husband's paramours.
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Werz wrote:
schmieg wrote:What's the problem with stop and frisk?
People have forgotten about Terry v. Ohio, just like they have forgotten about the character assassinations Hillary performed on her husband's paramours.
IIRC one of the pre requisites of a Terry type search was reasonable suspicion that the person to be searched was armed. "Stop and Frisk" in it's recent NYC form is problematic because profiling reared it's ugly head. Yep...you guessed it, young Black men were being singled out and were the primary targets for (likely unnecessary...unjustifiable) stop and frisks.

IANAL if that isn't obvious from the above :mrgreen:
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glocksmith wrote:
Werz wrote:
schmieg wrote:What's the problem with stop and frisk?
People have forgotten about Terry v. Ohio, just like they have forgotten about the character assassinations Hillary performed on her husband's paramours.
IIRC one of the pre requisites of a Terry type search was reasonable suspicion that the person to be searched was armed. "Stop and Frisk" in it's recent NYC form is problematic because profiling reared it's ugly head. Yep...you guessed it, young Black men were being singled out and were the primary targets for (likely unnecessary...unjustifiable) stop and frisks.

IANAL if that isn't obvious from the above :mrgreen:
Which doesn't change the fact that stop-and-frisk is lawful and constitutional; it's all in the execution.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon
"Remember that protecting our gun rights still boils down to keeping a majority in the electorate, and that our daily activities can have the impact of being ambassadors for the gun culture ..."
-- BobK
Open carry is a First Amendment exercise.
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