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Tither
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Crime control instead of gun control

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Recently most Western countries like Canada, Australia, and England have used their crime fighting dollars by experimented with Gun Control as crime control. With Disastrous effects I might add. Meanwhile, here in the U.S., instead of using our hard earned tax crime fighting dollars trying to control the law-abiding, who are not the problem, we have done the hard work of actually going after criminals and fighting crime, which is the problem.

Link 1,635 crimes that didn't happen
More than 1,600 violent crimes that could have occurred in the past year didn't, according to a study released Wednesday from Wichita State University.

Using the criminal histories of the offenders and the lengths of their prison sentences, the study determined the same people would have committed 1,635 crimes had they not been put behind bars. "I'm talking about drug dealers, gang-bangers, stickup artists and those who carry firearms as a tool of their trade," U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren said at a news conference.
In the late 90’s, the anti-gunners who hate that name had decided that they instead wanted to be referred to as “ The Controllers” on debate boards such as CNN and NPR. They felt that they did not want to have any negative association, such as Anti anything. They felt that The Controllers had a positive connotation.

So we quickly obliged them and started calling them The Controllers! So now I ask you.

America! Do YOU want to be Controlled by The Controllers? :roll:
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Re: Crime control instead of gun control

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Tither wrote:Meanwhile, here in the U.S., instead of using our hard earned tax crime fighting dollars trying to control the law-abiding, who are not the problem, we have done the hard work of actually going after criminals and fighting crime, which is the problem.
Forgive me if I respectfully disagree. After just having to wait an extra week and shell out and extra $50, this really isn't the time for me to feel like I'm being left alone for being one of the good guys. Being better than the competition doesn't denote being good. We have a long way to go to return to the natural state our forefathers wanted to provide for us.
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Re: Crime control instead of gun control

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dan_sayers wrote:Forgive me if I respectfully disagree. We have a long way to go to return to the natural state our forefathers wanted to provide for us.
There is absolutely nothing to forgive my friend.

Taxes are wasted, and there have been massive and unforgivable intrusions on our Inalienable Rights. The truth is that Gun Controllers have been whipping us in the public opinion war for years. It has only been lately that the American Public has finally seen that no amount of gun control will satisfy their lust to kill the 2nd. However, the do it for the Children, and do it for a safer society argument seem to still have legs. Even though we can prove this stuff to be BS, but who will report it? The Antis have done their best to make the words NRA and gun owner dirty words.

The truth is that even our most Right Wing news organization is at least somewhat anti-gun, and it seems that we have no way to get to the American people to tell them our side. The facts are totally on our side, but no one will present them to the American People. The best we can get is a BS Fair and balanced debate! And that is total BS. Would they like to have a fair and balanced debate on the First, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth amendments? How about the fourteenth? No! Somehow those ARE inalienable Rights, and the 2nd, is, well -- just adoration.

The question really is what can we do, and what shall we do about it? I think the Assault weapons ban give back was a step in the right direction, but getting more than that, even with a friendly Congress and President, seems to be not in the cards. Murder is at a 40 year low and violent crime is at a 30 year low yet Mayor Bloomberg’s anti-gun story is the one that has legs. Two of the best research organizations, filled with anti-gun researchers, have studied gun control every way they can and find no proof that is has a positive effect on violent outcomes, but yet we are still fighting more gun control proposals.

So what do we do?

We must keep pressure political pressure on our elected officials until we can get people elected who think like us. We have a pretty good crop of up and comers but until then, our choice is between Anti-gun DeWine, and the even more Anti-gun Brown. Some choice huh?
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After our liberal society is finished with the 2nd. We will debate the First Amendment! Said in a whinier voice.

Let me get this straight! You believe that you should be able to say and report ANYTHING you want! Does THIS sound REASONABLE and RATIONAL to YOUR mind? The First Amendment was written ages ago; surely you do not think that it applies to our modern society today! Surely we are more sophisticated than a bunch of Old Dead slave owners! Back when it was written there were no Internet, computers, radio, no television, no cameras, and no microphones. Now we can even get news over our blackberry’s and our cell phones. There was no instant reporting back when the Constitution was written! It took days, weeks and even months before people could get the news. Back then, they had to set type by hand.

Lets start by having a three-day cooling off period, before anything can be written. Come on let's be reasonable. Compromise! Lets just have a few common sense controls on the First Amendment. No one is trying to take away your First Amendment Freedoms, but Children are being kidnapped and killed because of the Internet. We need to protect our children. You know that dragging death and other hate crimes could have been prevented, if we did not have so many hate sites on the Internet. Lets have the attorney General look at everything before it can be printed. What are you afraid of? You know That Radical Group The National Association of Broadcasters is totally unwilling to help us by even proposing common sense censorship limits. Who are you trying to protect? You and that Radical Group The National Association of Broadcasters are just trying to protect your pedophile buddies, aren’t you? We destroyed the 2nd Amendment and people are still killing each other. Something has to be done! We have computer games, newspapers, television, movies and Rap music that is killing our society with these poisoned images. Come on lets be reasonable! You know, nothing is written in stone. We use to have something called a Second Amendment before we came to our senses and repealed it from that dead out dated, archaic document. There is your proof that the Constitution is too old and antiquated for our modern society. Sure! You think we the people and especially you have an unalienable First Amendment Right. Well, we say Bull! Repeal the First Amendment!

We know that we 2nd amendment supporters sometimes look radical because we are not willing to compromise away what is left of The Second Amendment and our Constitution. After 22 to 30 thousand laws and the massive intrusion already taken place into our Second Amendment rights, there is not any more room to compromise. Let's just see how congenial, composed, and rational you will look when they start wholesale jack hammering away at the foundation of the First Amendment, and let's see just how congenial you will be when you finally realize what is happening to our Great and Unique Constitution! Let us start this discussion by YOU describing the 20 censorship restrictions that YOU AGREE to put on the First Amendment. Come on! Let's be reasonable! Who are you trying to protect? Do it for the Children! :)

If our First and Second Amendment fall, there is no Constitution! There is no America, as we know it!
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i wish i could be as reasoned and prolific (repleat with quotes & sources) as you & Glock and Dagger

usually when i get into the whole anti-gun debate; i quickly go from stating facts to wanting to beat the [ignorant] liberal while screaming obscenities into his or her face about how demonically lead astray they are and how i didn't serve my country for one $#*&%% minute to defend their socialist ideals and cowards such as them.

i guess i should never seek employment as a pro-gun lobbyist :wink:
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sanjuro wrote:usually when i get into the whole anti-gun debate; i quickly go from stating facts to wanting to beat the [ignorant] liberal while screaming obscenities into his or her face about how demonically lead astray they are and how i didn't serve my country for one $#*&%% minute to defend their socialist ideals and cowards such as them.
Thanks sanjuro for the undeserved complement. :oops:

Your reactions are perfectly understandable, justified, and predictable. After all it is your Constitution they want to change and your rights they are trying to steal. However, that is ploy number one for gun controllers. If they can get you mad, they can say to everyone else, Do you want this guy with a gun? Look how easily he gets mad. He might go off and … Well you get the picture.

When we debated the Antis on boards like CNN and others, they got me mad plenty, however acting composed has the opposite effect from what they want. People can see when gun controllers are acting like A Holes. After all, it is there Constitution as well. When you don’t get mad, people start to take your side, so it’s a risky ploy for them. If this is a one on one conversation, then just beat the Crap out of them when no one is looking! :) Just kidding.

As far as facts go, copy them and save them. That’s what we all did. I’ve seen what I have written word for word in debates, and I have used others words too. No one will get possessive. We are all on the same side, and we are all trying to do the same thing. Save the Constitution. I have learned plenty from everyone here, and find everyone’s wisdom a huge resource.
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Tither wrote:
sanjuro wrote:usually when i get into the whole anti-gun debate; i quickly go from stating facts to wanting to beat the [ignorant] liberal while screaming obscenities into his or her face about how demonically lead astray they are and how i didn't serve my country for one $#*&%% minute to defend their socialist ideals and cowards such as them.
Thanks sanjuro for the undeserved complement. :oops:
Nonsense. Additionally, I like your manner. Definitely something to seek for self.
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