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ACLU pushes Orwellian "Pro-Liberty" reason to ban guns

Postby bignflnut » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:36 am

Overall, the ACLU does not generally engage in either side of the gun control issue. But we do care about freedom, and I have noticed a growing trend: the wide availability of guns and their misuse leading to restrictions on Americans’ freedom. Advocates for expansive gun rights who are serious in their concern over expanded government powers might consider how this is the case.

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Intrusions already in play or proposed as a result of mass shootings include:

Increased physical searches, including ever-expanding checkpoints, bag searches, magnetometers, body scanners, pat downs, and more.

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More surveillance. We have seen at least two school districts in the United States — in Arkansas and the state of New York — vote to adopt comprehensive surveillance systems that include blanket video surveillance, tracking, face recognition, and the ability of law enforcement to tap into the system.

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A growth in databases, watch lists, investigations, and background checks that set the government rummaging around in our personal lives.
More armed police and guards at more and more civilian gatherings, potentially down to every Little League game and church picnic — authorities whose very presence will change the character of American life, and who are also likely to assert their power in numerous ways...

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More police shootings.

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In particular, those who support expansive gun rights as a protection against excessive government power should strongly consider how much government intrusion and expanded power they’re willing to trade for those rights.


Here we have a case being made the freedom is being limited, and the case then contradicts itself by justifying the restriction of freedom on the fact that people are free to carry weapons in society. The State's reaction to all the anti-RKBA caterwauling, which this author justifies and simultaneously dislikes, would not be walked back one iota if you could eliminate all guns. Not to mention all of these measures being aimed at restricting RKBA.

Orwellian doublespeak at it's finest: In order to be free, we must surrender our freedom.

Perhaps, if the ACLU did engage gun control issues, they'd oppose the "Intrusions" instead of encourage them.

(Hello ERPOs, bump stock bans, FFLs, NICS, etc...)
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Re: ACLU pushes Orwellian "Pro-Liberty" reason to ban guns

Postby rattlehead » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:40 pm

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Re: ACLU pushes Orwellian "Pro-Liberty" reason to ban guns

Postby bignflnut » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:51 am

Would the ACLU ever offer a “Pro-Liberty Case for Fourth Amendment Restrictions?” Would it argue that “the wide availability of modern communication have been misused by terrorists and that’s created a pervasive sense of insecurity and anxiety that politicians and policymakers will inevitably seek to address?” Seems unlikely.

I would ask if the ACLU would ever offer a “Pro-Liberty Case for First Amendment Restrictions,” but the organization has already answered that call, advocating a new brand of “free speech” defense that is dispensed differently for “marginalized” groups and others. “Speech that denigrates such groups can inflict serious harms and is intended to and often will impede progress toward equality,” says the ACLU in its guidelines governing case selection. For the ACLU, some speech is equal, but some speech is more equal than others. I won’t even get into religious liberty protections, which the ACLU has continually opposed in recent cases.
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Postby WY_Not » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:49 am

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