ID Requirement from LEO

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ID Requirement from LEO

Postby WeinerDog » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:53 pm

I would like to know if not being required to show ID unless the officer has RAS is just an Ohio statute or the law of the land.
I get upset watching police shows and officers asking passengers for ID when they said into the camera that they are pulling the guy over for a broken taillight. I know it’s a fishing expedition but why would it be legal to ask passengers for ID when only the driver has committed any infraction at all.
I was watching YouTube videos of open carriers and they ask for ID of a companion holding a camera so not only are they harassing a lawful citizen committing a lawful act but also a companion not even holding a weapon.
The LEO always seemed stunned by the person refusing to ID themselves and you can tell their training did not prepare them for such an incident.
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby JediSkipdogg » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:10 pm

Police can ask and say anything they want. The courts have ruled that way numerous times. It's up to the person if they want to believe the officer. The ole "we have video showing you at the crime scene" is a classic. It doesn't matter if the video exists or not. If you then change your story and admit to the crime, that's good enough for the courts.
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby JustaShooter » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:28 pm

Different states have different ID requirements. They can be more or less stringent than Ohio law. There is no Federal law as far as I know.
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby JediSkipdogg » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:21 pm

JustaShooter wrote:Different states have different ID requirements. They can be more or less stringent than Ohio law. There is no Federal law as far as I know.


While true, I'm pretty sure there is no requirement in any state for a passenger to ID themselves unless they are committing some violation themselves.
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby Chuck » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:18 am

Or legally carrying a handgun while a passenger
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby JustaShooter » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:26 am

JediSkipdogg wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:Different states have different ID requirements. They can be more or less stringent than Ohio law. There is no Federal law as far as I know.


While true, I'm pretty sure there is no requirement in any state for a passenger to ID themselves unless they are committing some violation themselves.

Recall that in Ohio, you are required to identify yourself if you are a witness to a crime, you don't have to have committed one or be suspected of one.
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby djthomas » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:56 am

JustaShooter wrote:Recall that in Ohio, you are required to identify yourself if you are a witness to a crime, you don't have to have committed one or be suspected of one.

While true, I don't want to lose the distinction of OP's point. A witness is not required to show ID. Verbally stating one's name, address, and (usually) DOB is sufficient.
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Re: ID Requirement from LEO

Postby deanimator » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:06 pm

Unless engaged in certain specific activities (driving, carrying a concealed handgun, etc.), Ohio doesn't even require you to HAVE ID.

Apart from those exceptions as stated previously, WHERE REQUIRED BY LAW, verbal identification is sufficient.
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