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Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby JU-87 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:46 pm

Be...All that you can be...in the ARRRRRRRMY! :lol:
These mental case recruits will be able to get an Ohio CCW permit without any training!! :shock:
The hits keep on comin! :lol: :roll:


Army lifts ban on waivers for recruits with history of some mental health issues
Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAYPublished 12:00 p.m. ET Nov. 12, 2017 | Updated 1:01 p.m. ET Nov. 14, 2017

WASHINGTON – People with a history of “self-mutilation,” bipolar disorder, depression and drug and alcohol abuse can now seek waivers to join the Army under an unannounced policy enacted in August, according to documents obtained by USA TODAY.

The decision to open Army recruiting to those with mental health conditions comes as the service faces the challenging goal of recruiting 80,000 new soldiers through September 2018. To meet last year's goal of 69,000, the Army accepted more recruits who fared poorly on aptitude tests, increased the number of waivers granted for marijuana use and offered hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses...



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby Sneakypete » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:29 pm

Here we go again, lights of MacNamaras "100,000"......,circa late Vn war. Anybody that had to deal with them remembers how fun that was. :roll:
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby bignflnut » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:08 am

The Army, or a local militia, can set the terms of applicants as they see fit.
I would not be in favor of lowering application standards, but of course the State cannot keep us safe, regardless of how high their entry standards (multiple articles have been written regarding physical fitness standards being lowered due to increasing childhood obesity and a PC desire to accept females in combat positions).

That said, please, let's recognize that those who set the terms of the debate often win the debate. "Mental Illness" is a synonym or euphemism for "Feeblemindedness", a term used by open Eugenicists in decades past. Open Eugenics being entirely repugnant, there is a requirement to shroud the language in deceptive and dangerous sounding terms.

While I wouldn't like to see people with histories of self-mutilation, depression / bi-polar disorder or substance abuse anywhere near firearms...I recognize that our Rights originate not with our mental fitness, sobriety or any other medically defined state of being, but that we are living humans! Let people be free and reap the whirlwind if they act improperly! Self-government, right?

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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby carmen fovozzo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:08 pm

Nope..It ain't happening...
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby bignflnut » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:15 pm

Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said Wednesday to reporters that a September waiver memo, first reported on by USA Today, had been dropped after “terrible” messaging of the policy. However, Milley maintained the memo did not constitute a real change in policy, but rather delegated the ability to issue waivers to a lower authority - from Army headquarters to Army Recruiting Command.
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby Sneakypete » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:57 pm

bignflnut wrote:
Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said Wednesday to reporters that a September waiver memo, first reported on by USA Today, had been dropped after “terrible” messaging of the policy. However, Milley maintained the memo did not constitute a real change in policy, but rather delegated the ability to issue waivers to a lower authority - from Army headquarters to Army Recruiting Command.


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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby jeep45238 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:16 pm

There are so many problems with altering the mental health standards (which is for the benefit of the individual, their team members, and big *insert branch here*) for the benefit of recruiting numbers it's not even worth counting.
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby JU-87 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:21 am

Just found this. It looks like the Military did this before:

Project 100,000

Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000) was a 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers that would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements during American involvement in the Vietnam War and ended in December 1971...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby Sneakypete » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:25 pm

JU-87 wrote:Just found this. It looks like the Military did this before:

Project 100,000

Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000) was a 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers that would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements during American involvement in the Vietnam War and ended in December 1971...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000


This is what I was referring to in my earlier posts. Didn't realize how old I was to have first hand knowledge of these things. :shock:
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby AlanM » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:47 am

In 1965,when I joined the regular Navy my recruiter had me go down to the Draft board's office and take the AFQT, Armed Forces Qualifying Test and get a physical exam.
Beside me was a guy my age that was taking it for the THIRD time.
Also for enlistment into the Navy.
Basically the AFQT was a simple IQ test.
I aced it. 100%
The other guy got a 16% (on his third try).
The Navy recruiter was STILL coaching him to get him enlisted.

I went on to Tech school, Enlisted Nuclear Power School, Sub. School and served on Polaris submarines among other things.
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby Brian D. » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:37 am

AlanM wrote:In 1965,when I joined the regular Navy my recruiter had me go down to the Draft board's office and take the AFQT, Armed Forces Qualifying Test and get a physical exam.
Beside me was a guy my age that was taking it for the THIRD time.
Also for enlistment into the Navy.
Basically the AFQT was a simple IQ test.
I aced it. 100%
The other guy got a 16% (on his third try).
The Navy recruiter was STILL coaching him to get him enlisted.

I went on to Tech school, Enlisted Nuclear Power School, Sub. School and served on Polaris submarines among other things.


Wait, so what happened to the 16% guy? Is he now a U.S. Senator?
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby schmieg » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:40 pm

Brian D. wrote:
AlanM wrote:In 1965,when I joined the regular Navy my recruiter had me go down to the Draft board's office and take the AFQT, Armed Forces Qualifying Test and get a physical exam.
Beside me was a guy my age that was taking it for the THIRD time.
Also for enlistment into the Navy.
Basically the AFQT was a simple IQ test.
I aced it. 100%
The other guy got a 16% (on his third try).
The Navy recruiter was STILL coaching him to get him enlisted.

I went on to Tech school, Enlisted Nuclear Power School, Sub. School and served on Polaris submarines among other things.


Wait, so what happened to the 16% guy? Is he now a U.S. Senator?

He's probably a full professor at Harvard.
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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby Tru-Heathen » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:12 pm

schmieg wrote:
Brian D. wrote:
AlanM wrote:In 1965,when I joined the regular Navy my recruiter had me go down to the Draft board's office and take the AFQT, Armed Forces Qualifying Test and get a physical exam.
Beside me was a guy my age that was taking it for the THIRD time.
Also for enlistment into the Navy.
Basically the AFQT was a simple IQ test.
I aced it. 100%
The other guy got a 16% (on his third try).
The Navy recruiter was STILL coaching him to get him enlisted.

I went on to Tech school, Enlisted Nuclear Power School, Sub. School and served on Polaris submarines among other things.


Wait, so what happened to the 16% guy? Is he now a U.S. Senator?

He's probably a full professor at Harvard.


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Re: Army lifts ban for recruits w/Mental Health issues

Postby JU-87 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:21 am

Brian D. wrote:
AlanM wrote:In 1965,when I joined the regular Navy my recruiter had me go down to the Draft board's office and take the AFQT, Armed Forces Qualifying Test and get a physical exam.
Beside me was a guy my age that was taking it for the THIRD time.
...


Wait, so what happened to the 16% guy? Is he now a U.S. Senator?


LOL! :lol:
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