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Another US destroyer collision

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USS John S McCain collides with merchant ship in South China Sea.

Time for the Navy to get back to real basics.

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I've never was a crewman on a seaborne vessel of any size, but I would imagine these occurances are happening due to over-reliance on technology. GPS? Radar? Early alert systems? Why do we need people looking out windows?
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ArmedAviator wrote:I've never was a crewman on a seaborne vessel of any size, but I would imagine these occurances are happening due to over-reliance on technology. GPS? Radar? Early alert systems? Why do we need people looking out windows?
I spent time on carriers and boomers years ago. Another part, IMO, is emphasizing too much current social engineering and not enough basic seamanship, watchstanding and rules of the road today.
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Is it at all possible that China or the little fat guy in No Korea is messing with electronics by using EMPs or something?

I know it is kinda tin-foil hat-ish, but it really pains me to think that our guys are so poorly trained that they can't avoid colliding with big ships. If the Obama administration socially engineered the military that bad so that they are not safe out there, it will take a long, long time to repair that and regain what we had.
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Mustang380gal wrote:Is it at all possible that China or the little fat guy in No Korea is messing with electronics by using EMPs or something?

I know it is kinda tin-foil hat-ish, but it really pains me to think that our guys are so poorly trained that they can't avoid colliding with big ships. If the Obama administration socially engineered the military that bad so that they are not safe out there, it will take a long, long time to repair that and regain what we had.
I suspect it's more about social engineering. I have several people who stayed in and I kept in touch. They all told me how bad it was getting starting in the 90s, and only gotten worse the last 15+ years. Promotions aren't based on merit anymore. If you listen to the bridge watch audio recordings of the Porter's collision some 5 years ago, and know bridge watch procedures, you can hear the lack of good decision making.

I saw pictures of current officers in the past few years - a woman who was a Public Affairs Officer had seven rows of ribbons. Take a look at people after WWII, Korea, or Vietnam. People involved in full combat never had that level of decoration. Overall, the forces aren't what they used to be, and have degraded for various reasons - one of them being the current social engineering. It's a sorry state.

I hope they find some of the 10 missing sailors from the McCain alive. A sad day for the ship's families.
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Mustang380gal wrote:Is it at all possible that China or the little fat guy in No Korea is messing with electronics by using EMPs or something?

I know it is kinda tin-foil hat-ish, but it really pains me to think that our guys are so poorly trained that they can't avoid colliding with big ships. If the Obama administration socially engineered the military that bad so that they are not safe out there, it will take a long, long time to repair that and regain what we had.
Tin-foil hat or not.. There's too much of this going on.
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Good news is the CNO has called for a stand down in the Pacific fleet. This is the fourth incident in 7 months (3 collisions, 1 grounding) for forward deployed units, and it seems the forward based units get much less refresher training than the US-based ones. Some good systematic changes should come. We'll still have personnel in positions who aren't the best qualified but a good system will help them improve.
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pk47 wrote:
I saw pictures of current officers in the past few years - a woman who was a Public Affairs Officer had seven rows of ribbons. Take a look at people after WWII, Korea, or Vietnam. People involved in full combat never had that level of decoration..
My father retired as a Naval Reserve Captain, having served in active duty in WWII and Korea and he only had three and one-third rows (of course, only one ribbon each for his three Purple Hearts and three Bronze Stars with V).
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pk47 wrote:Good news is the CNO has called for a stand down in the Pacific fleet. This is the fourth incident in 7 months (3 collisions, 1 grounding) for forward deployed units, and it seems the forward based units get much less refresher training than the US-based ones. Some good systematic changes should come. We'll still have personnel in positions who aren't the best qualified but a good system will help them improve.
How does this stand down order affect things should the little dictator in NK suddenly change his mind about shooting missiles at Guam, or some other action in the Pacific?
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pk47 wrote:Good news is the CNO has called for a stand down in the Pacific fleet. This is the fourth incident in 7 months (3 collisions, 1 grounding) for forward deployed units, and it seems the forward based units get much less refresher training than the US-based ones. Some good systematic changes should come. We'll still have personnel in positions who aren't the best qualified but a good system will help them improve.
How does this stand down order affect things should the little dictator in NK suddenly change his mind about shooting missiles at Guam, or some other action in the Pacific?
Not sure what "stand down" means for ships not involved in actual combat mission but I am sure it doesn't affect combat readiness. Most ship functions have to go on no matter what. Even ships in port have necessary functions that must go on.
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In those cases, a stand down means off time is spent in the refresher training. Time when you are not on watch is when that happens. In the aviation community, they may have a no fly day, but shipboard personnel do continue operations.
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When I was in, (USS Sterret DLG31), the Special Sea & Anchor detail was set going in & out of port, or in crowded shipping lanes. I cannot imagine the Captain I had allowing anything to get near that ship. Especially a "merchie". Navy Times has nothing at all about this except pray for the families - copy that.
Tin Foil Hat Time: Read an article that China makes the wheels & tires for our Humvees. Guess they could supply boards & chips too. With all of the tech on the modern ships, it is not inconcievable that a circuit board some where has an "extra" chip with some embedded code. Actvated via remote control.... </tinfoil> :shock:
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