A Brief Error in Judgment...

This area is for discussions that do not fit into the formal firearms discussions of the website. Common sense and non-controversial contributions are expected. Certain topics are forbidden. See the forum rules for more details.

Moderators: Chuck, Mustang380gal, Coordinators, Moderators

TunnelRat
Deceased
Deceased
Posts: 9710
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:31 am
Location: Toledo

A Brief Error in Judgment...

Post by TunnelRat »

"They had six guns and were taking turns shooting and re-casing them," Kerss said. "He cocked the hammer back and was ready to fire, when one of his ear plugs fell out. When he changed hands with the weapon, leaned it back and reached down to get the ear plug, the gun went off."

http://www.dailysentinel.com/news/conte ... oting.html
TunnelRat

"Applying the standard that is well established in our case law, we hold that the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States." ~ McDonald v. Chicago

When your only tools are a hammer and sickle, every problem starts to look like too much freedom.
Redhorse
Posts: 614
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:26 pm
Location: Licking county

Post by Redhorse »

Maaan... :shock: things would have to go seriously bad in order to accidently shoot yourself in the head with a rifle while bench shooting.

:? Freaky :?
Freedom isn't free!
NavyChief
OFCC Coordinator
OFCC Coordinator
Posts: 11621
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:22 am
Location: Greene County
Contact:

Post by NavyChief »

I realize Mr. Murphy reigns supreme, but I'm havin' a real tough time wrapping my poor little brain around this whole scenario...
Total repeal of ALL firearms/weapons laws at the local, state and federal levels. Period. Wipe the slate clean.
charles1198
Posts: 3873
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:35 pm
Location: SE Ohio

Post by charles1198 »

Very sad situation. I can't really say I understand what happened, but it was obviously a freak accident. All the more reason to practice safe gun handling.
Cruiser
OFCC Member
OFCC Member
Posts: 10911
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:41 pm
Location: Mercer County, Ohio - what is yours?

Re: A Brief Error in Judgment...

Post by Cruiser »

tommcnaughton wrote:"They had six guns and were taking turns shooting and re-casing them," Kerss said. "He cocked the hammer back and was ready to fire, when one of his ear plugs fell out. When he changed hands with the weapon, leaned it back and reached down to get the ear plug, the gun went off."

http://www.dailysentinel.com/news/conte ... oting.html
the gun went off.
Don't you just love this stantard comment used by is uninformed!
User avatar
Aaron
Posts: 588
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:50 pm
Location: Wadsworth (Medina County)

Post by Aaron »

speechless
Life is precious, Got Sig?
Sig P250 Compact .40s&w
haspelbein
Posts: 1891
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:12 pm
Location: Central Ohio

Post by haspelbein »

A sad reminder that most negligent discharges do not happen to novices, but to people who got too "comfortable" around guns over the years.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"
TunnelRat
Deceased
Deceased
Posts: 9710
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:31 am
Location: Toledo

Jeff Cooper's Rules of Firearm Safety

Post by TunnelRat »

Jeff Cooper's Rules of Firearm Safety:

Rule One: All guns are always loaded.
Rule Two: Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Rule Three: Keep your finger off the trigger 'til your sights are on the target.
Rule Four: Be sure of your target -- know what it is and what is behind it.

I think you can break any two of these rules and still be safe... :?

With regard to negligent discharges there are only two kinds of persons:
1) Those who have had a negligent discharge;
2) Those who are going to have a negligent discharge.
TunnelRat

"Applying the standard that is well established in our case law, we hold that the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States." ~ McDonald v. Chicago

When your only tools are a hammer and sickle, every problem starts to look like too much freedom.
NavyChief
OFCC Coordinator
OFCC Coordinator
Posts: 11621
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:22 am
Location: Greene County
Contact:

Re: Jeff Cooper's Rules of Firearm Safety

Post by NavyChief »

tommcnaughton wrote:With regard to negligent discharges there are only two kinds of persons:
1) Those who have had a negligent discharge;
2) Those who are going to have a negligent discharge.
I'm happy to say I'm still in the latter group. And prayerfully, if/when I move into the former, my muzzle will be pointed safely downrange.
Total repeal of ALL firearms/weapons laws at the local, state and federal levels. Period. Wipe the slate clean.
Redhorse
Posts: 614
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:26 pm
Location: Licking county

Post by Redhorse »

Unfortunately, I have to admit I fall into the first catagory. Happy to say however, my muzzle was pointed in a safe direction (straight into the ground). Happened over 20 yrs. ago, but still a very sobering and humbling experience that is NEVER forgotten :!:
Freedom isn't free!
Willy P
Posts: 842
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:44 pm
Location: Madison Co.

Post by Willy P »

AMEN Redhorse! My oldest daughter's ND was with a 410 break action shotgun and I try and relate it to every class of Hunter Ed I do. She missed the fact that when you let the hammer down you need to let off the trigger as soon as the hammer clears the "catch". As with you she had the barrel pointed at a piece of ground that was not occupied by any body parts!
Petrovich
*** Banned ***
Posts: 4030
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:39 pm

Post by Petrovich »

Don't think for one minute it can't happen to you.

I was shooting a ruger redhawk in .44 mag one day. I was firing in single action and on one shot I failed to pull the hammer all the way back and skipped a shot (one more reason I prefer Smiths over rugers is that horrible long distance hammer travel). I finished up the cylinder then went back to line up the missed shot so I could fire it.

For some stooooopid reason I had my finger on the trigger as I pulled back the hammer to advance the cylinder to where I thought the unfired round was. My thumb slipped off the hammer and kaboom....right into the ground where I had it pointed. :oops:
TunnelRat
Deceased
Deceased
Posts: 9710
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:31 am
Location: Toledo

Post by TunnelRat »

Mine came while I was in an action shooting competition at the Lima Sabres club. I usually carry John Moses Browning's work -- either M1911s or Hi-Powers, but this time I was trying out my new SIG P226. I am used to the single action of the Browning models, and somehow the double action SIG went bang one time when I had not intended for it to do so.

I broke Rule Three: "Keep your finger off the trigger 'til the sights are on the target", but I had kept the rest of the rules so nobody and nothing was hurt (except my own pride and sense of infallibility... ).

I was on the line, actually shooting when it happened. I stopped and told the R.O. about it. He opined that the shot was toward the targets and far enough down range that I could go ahead and shoot. I appreciated his mercy, but I tend to be fairly strict about my own mistakes, so I DQ'd myself and spent the rest of the day pasting targets and picking up brass for the active shooters.

It is a scary, stupid, and soul-searching moment when your gun "goes off by itself"... :?
TunnelRat

"Applying the standard that is well established in our case law, we hold that the Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States." ~ McDonald v. Chicago

When your only tools are a hammer and sickle, every problem starts to look like too much freedom.
Petrovich
*** Banned ***
Posts: 4030
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:39 pm

Post by Petrovich »

tommcnaughton wrote:Mine came while I was in an action shooting competition at the Lima Sabres club. I usually carry John Moses Browning's work -- either M1911s or Hi-Powers, but this time I was trying out my new SIG P226. I am used to the single action of the Browning models, and somehow the double action SIG went bang one time when I had not intended for it to do so.

I broke Rule Three: "Keep your finger off the trigger 'til the sights are on the target", but I had kept the rest of the rules so nobody and nothing was hurt (except my own pride and sense of infallibility... ).

I was on the line, actually shooting when it happened. I stopped and told the R.O. about it. He opined that the shot was toward the targets and far enough down range that I could go ahead and shoot. I appreciated his mercy, but I tend to be fairly strict about my own mistakes, so I DQ'd myself and spent the rest of the day pasting targets and picking up brass for the active shooters.

It is a scary, stupid, and soul-searching moment when your gun "goes off by itself"... :?
All I have to do is think what would have happened if my kid was standing there....chills me to the bone.
Colt45
Posts: 962
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:21 pm
Location: Toledo OH

Re: Jeff Cooper's Rules of Firearm Safety

Post by Colt45 »

tommcnaughton wrote:Jeff Cooper's Rules of Firearm Safety:

Rule One: All guns are always loaded.
Rule Two: Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Rule Three: Keep your finger off the trigger 'til your sights are on the target.
Rule Four: Be sure of your target -- know what it is and what is behind it.
I like to include...

Rule Five: If you point a gun at me I may shoot you, or at the very least beat your butt, because I will assume Rules One & Two are applicable.
Colt 45...it works every time
Post Reply