CUT UP CITIBANK CARDS! Citi refuses CDNN & firearms sale

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Postby evan price » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:12 pm

I already terminated one Citi card I had in my billfold today, and I am going to do the same to the other one when I get home.

I really don't care what excuse they dream up to justify this letter, or damage-control that they try to spin on us. The true colors of this reptile have been exposed for all to see.

It's high time that we stand up to this kind of crap.
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If Citi says they don't want our business, then the milions of gun owning Americans need to make their voices heard loud and clear by abandoning their services en masse.

With the way the economy is, there are lots of other creditors who want to assume Citi's position.

Let's help someone else who wants us as customers.


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Postby Scavok » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:23 pm

evan price wrote:I already terminated one Citi card I had in my billfold today, and I am going to do the same to the other one when I get home.

I really don't care what excuse they dream up to justify this letter, or damage-control that they try to spin on us. The true colors of this reptile have been exposed for all to see.

It's high time that we stand up to this kind of crap.
Gun ownership is LEGAL and nothing to be ashamed of or hide from.

If Citi says they don't want our business, then the milions of gun owning Americans need to make their voices heard loud and clear by abandoning their services en masse.

With the way the economy is, there are lots of other creditors who want to assume Citi's position.

Let's help someone else who wants us as customers.


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Careful! There has been consolidation in the credit card processing industry in the past few years; as a result, consumers are (indirectly) left with fewer choices. What I'm getting at is: even if you cancel your credit card and get another card from a different provider, that provider may in fact use Citi Merchant Services or First Data Merchant Services. The quote in the OP suggests the following:

To change to an NSSF-affiliated credit card processing program, contact Payment Alliance International at 1-866-371-2273 (ext. 1131).

So before you run out & and get another card, you have to beforehand determine if they use an NSSF-affiliated service.
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Postby evan price » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:31 pm

I work in the credit card industry.

I know who issues and processes the cards I hold.

A valid point, nonetheless.

Citi and JP Morgan Chase are behind most of the consumer cards in the US.

There are some which are neither issued nor serviced by Citi which can be considered.

JP Morgan Chase, MBNA and HSBC come directly to mind. Also Discover.
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Postby charles1198 » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:32 pm

I buy guns and gun stuff with my Citi cards all the time. I don't think it's an anti-gun thing, though that very well could be. I think it's an anti CDNN/anti-merchant thing. Merchant accounts are bad news anyway. Many merchants are starting to charge extra to credit card users to cover the fee the bank charges them to process the transaction.
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Postby SeanC » Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:15 am

If you're going to cancel your cards in protest, make sure you send a letter explaining the reason. Otherwise, they won't get the message.
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Postby charben » Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:34 pm

Here is the response from Citi that was promised to me yesterday during my conversation with Mr. Tenenbaum.

Thank you for your message. The posting at www.nssf.org regarding Citi Merchant Services and First Data Corp. is inaccurate. Further, while we generally do not comment on individual merchant customers, we would like to briefly address the 12/26 letter posted on the web site. Regretfully, that letter did a less than satisfactory job of expressing applicable policies. Those policies are more properly detailed below.

Citi Merchant Services and First Data do process firearms transactions. Our policy restrictions address only the sale of firearms in a non face-to-face environment. Non face-to-face transactions occur when a cardholder is not present in front of a merchant and includes mail order and online purchases. It is our policy not to service merchants that make non face-to-face sales in a number of industries, including firearms.

It is not the policy of Citi Merchant Services or First Data to refuse to process transactions from duly licensed merchants that sell firearms in face-to-face transactions at the point of sale.

The posting also incorrectly states that Robert Tenenbaum is the supervisor when, in fact, he is not.

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Postby charben » Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:53 pm

Here is my reply to Citi's response:

Hello and thank you for the response. However, although you clarify your policies with regard to face-to-face transactions regarding firearms, I am curious as to WHY you feel those restrictions are necessary. Perhaps you are unaware that I, as someone who is NOT a licensed dealer, cannot purchase a firearm and have it delivered directly to me. For example, if I were to purchase a firearm from the company in question (CDNN--as I have previously), I would have to provide them the details of a licensed dealer near me for them to ship the firearm. CDNN would process my transaction...it happened to be by credit card...and then ship the handgun to the licensed dealer near me after verifying that the dealer was legitimate. I would then have to visit the receiving dealer and complete the necessary paperwork--as if I had purchased the firearm there--and be "cleared" by the government to be able to take possession of my firearm. Your policies prohibiting clearing credit card transactions for non face-to-face transactions will hurt law abiding citizens who wish to purchase firearms in this manner. In addition, it will dramatically affect the business of firms like CDNN who have to maintain strict adherance to the law to stay in business. Your policies will NOT, in any way, prevent firearms from getting into the hands of criminals. To think so would be naive.

If this is your position, and I assume it is based on your response, then be assured that this news will spread and there will be many cancellations of credit cards serviced by Citi Merchant Services and First Data. We will simply use methods offered by your competitors to continue doing business with firms like CDNN.

Sincerely,

Christopher HARBEN

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Postby Johnny45 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:10 pm

Maybe not as bad as first thought? Read cphilip's thread
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=807503
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Postby kcclark » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:26 pm

evan price wrote:There are some which are neither issued nor serviced by Citi which can be considered.

JP Morgan Chase, MBNA and HSBC come directly to mind. Also Discover.


FYI: I believe Bank of America owns MBNA now.
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Postby Tither » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:37 am

Jan 31st.

More on Citibank
Story here. It terminated the account of a licensed firearms dealer, and is withholding $75,000 of it, and is giving conflicting, and rather foolish, explanations. First, the ground was that he was making illegal sales to persons in other states. NSSF pointed out that's perfectly lawful, so long as he ships to a licensed dealer in the other state, for pickup there (interstate *sale* is lawful, it's the *delivery* that is controlled). Then it says it has some sort of policy against non-face-to-face sales, but only in certain types of businesses. Which policy was probably invented after the first justification was proven wrong.
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Re: CUT UP CITIBANK CARDS! Citi refuses CDNN & firearms sale

Postby kcclark » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:47 pm

I got rid of all my Citi cards early this year but the wife still has a Shell Oil MC. Latest bill got lost in the shuffle and was due today. I drove the payment down to the Citibank payment processing center on the southwest side of Columbus (1500 Boltonfield St, 43228) to avoid the late fee. Usual no guns sign was prominently displayed on the door you have to use to submit the payment. Another reason to not do business with Citibank.
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Postby Daniel » Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:04 am

charben wrote:I just spoke with Mr. Tenenbaum who says that he is NOT Ms. Rivera-Mantilla's supervisor. However, he took my email address because the company is going to release a statement either today or tomorrow to "the site that put this out there". I informed him that this is all over the web right now and he assured me that I would personally get a copy of the release. When/if I do, I will certainly post here.


Please email it to me if you do get it. I'll get something up on the website (busy day today and I can't guarantee I'll be checking the forums).

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Re: CUT UP CITIBANK CARDS! Citi refuses CDNN & firearms sale

Postby kcclark » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:33 pm

If you do a search here on Citibank, you come up with this thread and another thread about Citibank thumbing their nose at gun business in 2000. Seems like Citibank makes a splash about not doing business with firearms industry and then quietly gets back in the biz. Anyway, article today about how once again they are going anti-gun.

Citigroup will require its clients and business customers not to sell a firearm to anyone who hasn’t passed a background check or anyone under the age of 21. They also will not allow its customers to sell what are known as bump stocks and high-capacity magazines. Businesses who do not comply with these new restrictions will have their Citi banking relationship eventually wound down.


http://www.dispatch.com/zz/news/20180322/citigroup-puts-restrictions-on-gun-sales
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Re: CUT UP CITIBANK CARDS! Citi refuses CDNN & firearms sale

Postby WY_Not » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:55 am

Can't be viewed. Behind a pay wall.

kcclark wrote:If you do a search here on Citibank, you come up with this thread and another thread about Citibank thumbing their nose at gun business in 2000. Seems like Citibank makes a splash about not doing business with firearms industry and then quietly gets back in the biz. Anyway, article today about how once again they are going anti-gun.

Citigroup will require its clients and business customers not to sell a firearm to anyone who hasn’t passed a background check or anyone under the age of 21. They also will not allow its customers to sell what are known as bump stocks and high-capacity magazines. Businesses who do not comply with these new restrictions will have their Citi banking relationship eventually wound down.


http://www.dispatch.com/zz/news/20180322/citigroup-puts-restrictions-on-gun-sales
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Re: CUT UP CITIBANK CARDS! Citi refuses CDNN & firearms sale

Postby kcclark » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:06 pm

WY_Not wrote:Can't be viewed. Behind a pay wall.


It was an AP story so it can be had in multiple places. If you have not used up your monthly free allotment on the Washington Post website:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/citigroup-puts-restrictions-on-gun-sales/2018/03/22/75b437c4-2df4-11e8-8dc9-3b51e028b845_story.html
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