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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:32 pm
by 3FULLMAGS+1
Mustang380gal wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:I think I've asked this before, in relation to county fairs, and don't recall seeing an answer. Pardon me if someone did answer this, but what is the legal basis for a county fair to post the no guns warning on entrances to restrooms? I'm not talking about restrooms that are part of a larger bldg. where meetings might occur either, I'm talking about stand alone men's and women's restrooms, the bldg. being used for only that purpose.

There is none that I'm aware of, a sign at the entrance to a standalone restroom doesn't appear to me to comply with ORC 2923.126 or 2923.1212

Tuscrawas County had free standing rest rooms posted at last year's steam show.


I contacted the fairboard about that last year....or maybe the year before, I forget, BUT the response I got was that they were going to take those signs off the restroom doors......ie: the restrooms, (with a room on the back of the building used by the sheriff's dept, but not accesable through the restrooms).

Guess that never happened?

I may try to contact them again this week.

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:00 pm
by JustaShooter
Mustang380gal wrote:
JustaShooter wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:I think I've asked this before, in relation to county fairs, and don't recall seeing an answer. Pardon me if someone did answer this, but what is the legal basis for a county fair to post the no guns warning on entrances to restrooms? I'm not talking about restrooms that are part of a larger bldg. where meetings might occur either, I'm talking about stand alone men's and women's restrooms, the bldg. being used for only that purpose.

There is none that I'm aware of, a sign at the entrance to a standalone restroom doesn't appear to me to comply with ORC 2923.126 or 2923.1212

Tuscrawas County had free standing rest rooms posted at last year's steam show.

If the "Steam Show" is run by a private entity that is renting / leasing the fairgrounds, they can post whatever they like. If (as is the case with the county fair when run by the county agricultural society) the event is run by a political subdivision of the state of Ohio, they can only post buildings that are considered government facilities that are not primarily rest areas, parking facilities or restrooms.

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:29 pm
by M-Quigley
JustaShooter wrote:Tuscrawas County had free standing rest rooms posted at last year's steam show.

If the "Steam Show" is run by a private entity that is renting / leasing the fairgrounds, they can post whatever they like. If (as is the case with the county fair when run by the county agricultural society) the event is run by a political subdivision of the state of Ohio, they can only post buildings that are considered government facilities that are not primarily rest areas, parking facilities or restrooms.[/quote]

Thanks for the info. Darke county seems to have them up all year long. I once asked a person who supposedly was a member of the fair board about the signs, why they were up, the legality of them, etc. The guy said he assumes that they're perfectly legal, but when I asked about who I could contact for an official answer, he just said he'd ask and get back with me. He then hurriedly left, before I could give him any contact info. :roll:

I just now found a link on this web site regarding this issue. I'm not sure why I couldn't find it before posting this question, I probably did something wrong with my search, sorry.

http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23386

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:19 pm
by Mustang380gal
It wasn't a temporary sign by the steam club. It was a permanent sign. And it was only on the rest rooms IIRC. I did not go this year so I don't know whether they still have the signs.

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:11 pm
by 3FULLMAGS+1
Mustang380gal wrote:It wasn't a temporary sign by the steam club. It was a permanent sign. And it was only on the rest rooms IIRC. I did not go this year so I don't know whether they still have the signs.


Ok, I'm kinda confused.
Are we talking about the restroom facility directly behind the grandstands at the Dover fairgrounds ?

That building's main purpose is to house the restrooms, IMO, but during the fair the sheriffs dept uses the other room in the back of it during the fair, so can the fairboard still post this building ?

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:19 pm
by Mustang380gal
3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:
Mustang380gal wrote:It wasn't a temporary sign by the steam club. It was a permanent sign. And it was only on the rest rooms IIRC. I did not go this year so I don't know whether they still have the signs.


Ok, I'm kinda confused.
Are we talking about the restroom facility directly behind the grandstands at the Dover fairgrounds ?

That building's main purpose is to house the restrooms, IMO, but during the fair the sheriffs dept uses the other room in the back of it during the fair, so can the fairboard still post this building ?


Yes, that's the one. I didn't realize it had a room on back that the sheriff uses. The steam/tractor show doesn't have displays up behind that building, so I only ever see it from the back of the grandstand. From there it just looks like a restroom. The restrooms don't connect inside to any room behind, that I ever saw.

I can see a room that the sheriff uses being posted (only because the law says it can, not because I believe that the room is special since deputies may use it), but the bathroom being posted if the other room is not occupied makes no sense.

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:24 pm
by 3FULLMAGS+1
Mustang380gal wrote:
3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:
Mustang380gal wrote:It wasn't a temporary sign by the steam club. It was a permanent sign. And it was only on the rest rooms IIRC. I did not go this year so I don't know whether they still have the signs.


Ok, I'm kinda confused.
Are we talking about the restroom facility directly behind the grandstands at the Dover fairgrounds ?

That building's main purpose is to house the restrooms, IMO, but during the fair the sheriffs dept uses the other room in the back of it during the fair, so can the fairboard still post this building ?


Yes, that's the one. I didn't realize it had a room on back that the sheriff uses. The steam/tractor show doesn't have displays up behind that building, so I only ever see it from the back of the grandstand. From there it just looks like a restroom. The restrooms don't connect inside to any room behind, that I ever saw.

I can see a room that the sheriff uses being posted (only because the law says it can, not because I believe that the room is special since deputies may use it), but the bathroom being posted if the other room is not occupied makes no sense.


And......the bathroom being posted if the other room "IS" occupied makes no sense either !

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:36 am
by Mustang380gal
Agreed.

No earthly reason to post bathrooms. Or just about any other room, for that matter.

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:09 pm
by 3FULLMAGS+1
Did anyone attend the Tusc co. fair this year and if so was the restrooms mentioned above posted?

Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:23 pm
by 747tech
County fairs are miserable to find good info on.