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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby Brian D. » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:07 am

glocksmith wrote:I'd sure like to know what BB62...aka "you-know-who" has to say about this. I don't think he'd approve of the LEO's harassing of justashooter.


He's busy with putting together yet another OC educational walk, this coming Saturday at Kent State University. (Wonder if I should be plugging this event on here? Oh well, if not, the suits here will let me know..)
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby Chuck » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:52 am

It would be quite appropriate for that event to be posted in the Open Carry forum,
I have told him personally that his events are welcome
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby glocksmith » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:59 am

Ahh, Kent State...the place where our own "hero" soldiers gunned down a bunch of unarmed hippies. They probably don't teach that part of history in our schoolrooms...especially these days.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby Brian D. » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:15 pm

Chuck wrote:It would be quite appropriate for that event to be posted in the Open Carry forum,
I have told him personally that his events are welcome


He should take you up on it then, Chuck, I think so anyhow. Good on ya for the helping hand.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby Brian D. » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:20 pm

glocksmith wrote:Ahh, Kent State...the place where our own "hero" soldiers gunned down a bunch of unarmed hippies. They probably don't teach that part of history in our schoolrooms...especially these days.


Actually, BB62 says that a Kent State professor/historian is going along on the OC walk, and will be providing verbal recounting of the events there in May 1970. I don't know if the man is being straight up about his intentions with BB62's group, we shall see. Hopefully the prof doesn't have some anti-gun agenda, and a bullhorn.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby glocksmith » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:21 pm

I mainly brought up the Kent State massacre to drive home the point why we citizens need to remained armed. My blood always boils when I hear anti types say that only the police and military need to be armed. I give BB62 a thumbs-up if he intentionally chose Kent State because of it's history and symbolism.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:25 pm

Brian D. wrote:
glocksmith wrote:I'd sure like to know what BB62...aka "you-know-who" has to say about this. I don't think he'd approve of the LEO's harassing of justashooter.


He's busy with putting together yet another OC educational walk, this coming Saturday at Kent State University. (Wonder if I should be plugging this event on here? Oh well, if not, the suits here will let me know..)


.....since this is getting of topic, I plan on attending BB's walk and hope he gets a good turn out.


NOW , back on topic.

Wonder if Justashooter has made any headway in the issue regarding his....uh....."activities" at the fair?
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby glocksmith » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:33 pm

I really would like to hear BB62's commentary on justashooter's incident. BB62 is the King of Open Carry locally. LOL this must be BB62 day. Just this morning I was standing in line behind a 7 foot tall red headed young man at the post office....and I asked him "hey, you wouldn't be so-and-so's son?" LOL. He didn't mention Kent State, but it was definitely "junior". :mrgreen:
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby JustaShooter » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:00 pm

3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:Wonder if Justashooter has made any headway in the issue regarding his....uh....."activities" at the fair?

Nice lead-in!

As a matter of fact I spoke with Captain Stance on the phone to discuss my concerns. As I understand it, Captain Stance is the training officer for the Stark County Sheriff's Office, and as 3FULLMAGS+1 had dealt with him in the past it seemed like a good person to speak with.

The conversation was generally positive, but I suspect that he has had plenty of training and experience in dealing with the public and likely has a solid dose of PR training and background as well so some of it has to be taken with a grain - or even healthy dose - of salt.

I expressed my concerns about the encounter: the nature of the request, the number of deputies involved, the *strong* wording, and the level of intimidation involved. I also questioned whether that type of request was department policy, and whether or not that was consistent with their training.

He said he was very supportive of open carry, and specifically acknowledged open carry as the embodiment of our right to keep and bear arms for self defense in Ohio. He thought that it was possible that the deputies involved may have been reserve / part-time officers and thus less experienced dealing with the public on this issue, but that the way I described the encounter and their request and apparent attempt at intimidation was not department policy, nor was it consistent with their training regarding encounters with open carriers, whether at the fair or any other venue. His take on the 4 deputies being involved was that when a person with a gun call was received, that all officers in the vicinity would respond and that had it been determined that there was a real issue there likely would have been considerably more that responded. His rationale for this type of response is that 90% or more of the person with a gun calls they receive are not law-abiding citizens with holstered sidearms, they tend to be actors with bad intent. As such, *only* having 4 deputies respond meant that word had likely gone out that there wasn't a real issue.

We discussed this a bit, and I expressed additional concern about the tactic used - especially if it was not policy or consistent with training - and that I'd hate to think of others being subject to that approach. He agreed that this would be an opportunity for him to start an internal dialog within the department to educate their staff. A teachable moment as it were.

Before we wrapped up I let him know that as a volunteer for OFCC that along with fighting for legislation to further and restore our gun rights in Ohio that this was exactly the sort of thing we worked against and I hoped we wouldn't hear of any similar encounters. He agreed with that sentiment, and offered to speak with me any time I had any concerns about how their department interacted with armed, law-abiding citizens in the future.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:21 pm

SeanC wrote:Why did you feel a need to engage with the deputies? They're certainly within their authority to as you and your wife to disarm. They couldn't do anything about it if you refused, which you were certainly within your rights to do. So why not just say "thanks" and carry on about your business. Engaging the deputies to "educate" them doesn't seem to have accomplished anything other than attracting attention to the situation, and elevating the possibility for a negative confrontation. Was that the objective?


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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:17 pm

JustaShooter wrote:
3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:Wonder if Justashooter has made any headway in the issue regarding his....uh....."activities" at the fair?

Nice lead-in!

Your welcome


[qoute] "As a matter of fact I spoke with Captain Stance on the phone to discuss my concerns. As I understand it, Captain Stance is the training officer for the Stark County Sheriff's Office, and as 3FULLMAGS+1 had dealt with him in the past it seemed like a good person to speak with."


.....and I gave him the low down on you before I told him you'd be a callin'.... :P

And I thought it was Major Stance, not Captain....oh well, my bad.

Another thing, with all the anti-cop sentiment.....some deserved, some not so much.....talks like this with the local LE concerning such things, hopefully ease that friction as long as LE take what we have to say seriously and not just sweep it under the rug and refuse to change.
My opinion of Captain Stance in my dealings with him last year was that he "seemed" genuinely concerned about how their officers were dealing with the public concerning those of use who carry, so I'll give him a pass here.

I too, told him I was associated with OFCC, last year when we talked, and a couple weeks ago with this issue. I don't know if that made any difference or not, but both incidents could have given their sheriffs dept. black eyes over such things, "two years in a row", and I think he probably knew that, so discussing it and smoothing things over was in his departments best interest. I and Justashooter, I'm sure, would much rather see the problems fixed, whatever they may be, through open communication first, than have to make a major issue of it by putting it out there for the public to see.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:37 pm

Justashooter, did you ever get that audio "cleaned up" good enough to post it on here?
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby JustaShooter » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:19 pm

3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:Justashooter, did you ever get that audio "cleaned up" good enough to post it on here?

No, it's pretty hopeless. Besides, I think what has been posted here is a good enough representation of what happened that I don't think the actual audio would really add anything.
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:27 pm

JustaShooter wrote:
3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:Justashooter, did you ever get that audio "cleaned up" good enough to post it on here?

No, it's pretty hopeless. Besides, I think what has been posted here is a good enough representation of what happened that I don't think the actual audio would really add anything.


Fair enough, I'll quit prying. :)
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Re: Encounter with Sheriff deputies at Stark County Fair tod

Postby ParaC7 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:43 pm

I would have said, "I'll lock mine in my car at the same time you lock yours in your car".
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