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FBI run hide fight video.

Postby centermass » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:07 am

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/office-of- ... ight-video

Not a bad production, but a few things are missing.
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby glocksmith » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:51 pm

It suggests "as a last resort" to fight back....using improvised weapons. :lol:
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby M-Quigley » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:42 pm

I think the improvised weapons suggestion is a good one for most places. Most of my former employers never allowed carrying weapons of any kind, or anything that even gave the appearance of a weapon. (no pepper spray, knives, mag lites, etc) Now if they had said don't use a gun, if you're fortunate enough to be in a place that isn't a CPZ, that would be different.
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby Javelin Man » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:05 am

Someone pointed out that FBI or DHS wouldn't use improvised weapons, why should we?

Next, I wouldn't hit the BG with the fire extinguisher, I'd put his fire out. A direct blast by a fire extinguisher would do a lot to a person's determination to keep shooting. When the CO2 finally ran out, THEN I would use the blunt end. Of course, I'd rather my pile of 9mm shells be piling up but that's going to happen here at school for a while.
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby MyWifeSaidYes » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:08 am

Javelin Man wrote:...When the CO2 finally ran out, THEN I would use the blunt end...


I'd go with dry chemical. MUCH worse than CO2 when sprayed in the face. :twisted:

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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby Brian D. » Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:53 pm

MyWifeSaidYes wrote:
I'd go with dry chemical. MUCH worse than CO2 when sprayed in the face. :twisted:

Don't ask me how I know. :roll:


For training at the FD last Tuesday, I got sprayed right in the face with a good dose of dry chemical extinguisher powder, and I didn't even flinch.

Of course it was a hazardous material refresher class and I had on a full, encapsulated Level A suit at the time. (So that the decontamination crew could get some realistic practice scrubbing "haz-mat" off the suit.) It was on the face shield thick enough so that my gloved hands could not get much of it off. But the serious point being, a good dousing right in the face for real with dry chemical would be a pretty good way to disorient an attacker long enough for whatever sort of follow up walloping you had in mind to shut down the miscreant. The stuff stings, burns, chokes, and isn't coming out of your eyes on its own any time soon.

By the way, how many here besides me look around for handy improvised weapons when you're in a new or not familiar surrounding? Twisted though it might seem, thinking like that as an annoying-to-others habit could pay dividends on those infrequent occasions when you're forced to spend time in a 'No Guns' zone. Good example, although at least concealed carry seems to be okay there anyway: Cracker Barrel restaurants. Just what's near the fireplace--deactivated, old time shotgun securely mounted above doesn't count--gives you some choices. The fireplace tools, logs, and full length brass/steel coat rack would all be much better than empty hands. And, some of the farm implements displayed on the interior divider walls aren't fastened so well that adrenalin wouldn't overcome the screws holding them in place.

All that said though, it takes the full bureaucratic mentality of the government to posit: "Forget that we're always telling you how lethally effective firearms are, just leave them at home and cap that terrorist with the coffee pot instead".
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby TSiWRX » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:19 pm

Brian D. wrote:By the way, how many here besides me look around for handy improvised weapons when you're in a new or not familiar surrounding? Twisted though it might seem, thinking like that as an annoying-to-others habit could pay dividends on those infrequent occasions when you're forced to spend time in a 'No Guns' zone. Good example, although at least concealed carry seems to be okay there anyway: Cracker Barrel restaurants. Just what's near the fireplace--deactivated, old time shotgun securely mounted above doesn't count--gives you some choices. The fireplace tools, logs, and full length brass/steel coat rack would all be much better than empty hands. And, some of the farm implements displayed on the interior divider walls aren't fastened so well that adrenalin wouldn't overcome the screws holding them in place.


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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby ArmedAviator » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:21 pm

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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby Brian D. » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:26 pm

Oh come on Allen, just rewatch some of your Jackie Chan movie collection, you don't need to sign up for yet another class! (Yes folks, I know Allen's ethnicity and went with that reference anyhow, it's a joke!)

Would have been hilarious if Chan had ever filmed at a Cracker Barrel; I bet business would have jumped up enough for corporate CB to pay themselves big bonuses.
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby glocksmith » Wed Mar 02, 2016 2:33 pm

M-Quigley wrote:I think the improvised weapons suggestion is a good one for most places. Most of my former employers never allowed carrying weapons of any kind, or anything that even gave the appearance of a weapon. (no pepper spray, knives, mag lites, etc) Now if they had said don't use a gun, if you're fortunate enough to be in a place that isn't a CPZ, that would be different.


Okay, I'll agree with you on that, but the potential for improvised weapons varies greatly, depending upon the workspace. I worked in an office setting - mostly computers - and I can think of precious little that would have served effectively as a weapon against an armed attacker. I suppose if one worked in an industrial setting, there might be all kinds of power tools that would work adequately.
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby deanimator » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:06 pm

glocksmith wrote:Okay, I'll agree with you on that, but the potential for improvised weapons varies greatly, depending upon the workspace. I worked in an office setting - mostly computers - and I can think of precious little that would have served effectively as a weapon against an armed attacker. I suppose if one worked in an industrial setting, there might be all kinds of power tools that would work adequately.

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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby Bama.45 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:16 pm

glocksmith wrote:
M-Quigley wrote:I think the improvised weapons suggestion is a good one for most places. Most of my former employers never allowed carrying weapons of any kind, or anything that even gave the appearance of a weapon. (no pepper spray, knives, mag lites, etc) Now if they had said don't use a gun, if you're fortunate enough to be in a place that isn't a CPZ, that would be different.


Okay, I'll agree with you on that, but the potential for improvised weapons varies greatly, depending upon the workspace. I worked in an office setting - mostly computers - and I can think of precious little that would have served effectively as a weapon against an armed attacker. I suppose if one worked in an industrial setting, there might be all kinds of power tools that would work adequately.



There were most likely scissors, big heavy staplers, unhooking the phone and swinging either the handset or base (according to which is heavier) would be better than nothing. When you think you're out of options, there's always at least one more thing you can do.. You just have to think about it.. I always said God help someone if I had to defend myself in a grocery store or WalMart with makeshift weapons.
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby TSiWRX » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:48 pm

Brian D. wrote:Oh come on Allen, just rewatch some of your Jackie Chan movie collection, you don't need to sign up for yet another class! (Yes folks, I know Allen's ethnicity and went with that reference anyhow, it's a joke!)

Would have been hilarious if Chan had ever filmed at a Cracker Barrel; I bet business would have jumped up enough for corporate CB to pay themselves big bonuses.


:lol: :lol:

I think he would have gone in there, and just be overwhelmed at the props he could use. :lol:

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glocksmith wrote:Okay, I'll agree with you on that, but the potential for improvised weapons varies greatly, depending upon the workspace. I worked in an office setting - mostly computers - and I can think of precious little that would have served effectively as a weapon against an armed attacker. I suppose if one worked in an industrial setting, there might be all kinds of power tools that would work adequately.

Parallel printer cables make good flails/whips.


For my "office space" :P , you could pretty much cue an episode of Breaking Bad. :lol:

No, not the mobile-home meth-lab part.

There's plenty things that'll make someone go ouch in a science lab! :P

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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby deanimator » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:56 am

Javelin Man wrote:Next, I wouldn't hit the BG with the fire extinguisher, I'd put his fire out.

When I was in Korea, the battalion drunk picked a fight at the EM club with a repeat customer. The guy just said, "YOU again?" and clocked him with a fire extinguisher, then dragged him outside and dumped him in a snowdrift.

I'm sure that if Hillary heard that story, she'd introduce legislation allowing only firemen to touch fire extinguishers...
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Re: FBI run hide fight video.

Postby gaptrick » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:52 pm

Brian D. wrote:Oh come on Allen, just rewatch some of your Jackie Chan movie collection, you don't need to sign up for yet another class! (Yes folks, I know Allen's ethnicity and went with that reference anyhow, it's a joke!)

Would have been hilarious if Chan had ever filmed at a Cracker Barrel; I bet business would have jumped up enough for corporate CB to pay themselves big bonuses.


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