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Agree I should have ignored the jerk, and I could never t back up another car on my bumper, normally I ignor this time made a mistake... See what the Sherrif office does with the complaint ...

Javelin Man wrote:

rDigital wrote:Gun goes in the holster.

Ego goes in the safe.

Aye, but sometimes, somebody's gotta be schooled or at least told what he is. It's hard to fight that urge but yes, Mr. Ego gets put away. Maybe his road rage will affect a little old lady next time, in any case this guy was unglued and that needed to be addressed.

How it was/is addressed is another matter.

Reminds me of a few "lessons" I've taught over the years. Recently, some moron in his shiny new 'Vette nearly put me into the cement divider on the freeway. I saw him coming up behind me weaving in and out of lanes and he almost took my bumper off when he cut in front of me. I caught his attention with some sign language and creative horn beeping and agreed to his invitation to pull over on the side of the freeway. I found a nice gravelly spot and waited as he pulled up behind me and exited his vehicle. Just as he was clearing the front of it, I nailed it! There's something beautiful about a rear-wheel drive Grand Marquis spewing clouds of gravel and debris all over anything behind it. Thanks to some well timed power-braking and my rear-view mirror, I was able to observe his newly decorated paint job as I departed the scene. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

CroManGun wrote:I found a nice gravelly spot and waited as he pulled up behind me and exited his vehicle. Just as he was clearing the front of it, I nailed it! Thanks to some well timed power-braking and my rear-view mirror, I was able to observe his newly decorated paint job as I departed the scene.

Good one.

2 things. I'm also curious about about the dash cam equipment. I believe Pr. 24:4 would be appropriate in this situation.

Escalation is what a lawyer convinces a judge or jury it is. Could a total ignore, stare straight ahead be considered escalating things? Did the end result cause the hot head to get hotter? That's escalation in my book, be it just or not. Sometimes no matter how hard you try, you just gotta leave it up to the jury!

concreteguy wrote:2 things. I'm also curious about about the dash cam equipment. I believe Pr. 24:3-4 would be appropriate in this situation.

Not gonna say I fixed it for you, but maybe, enhanced it for you. Actually the chapter is pretty good as a whole.

Just remember.
A $$hole goes through glass.

TJW815 wrote:

concreteguy wrote:2 things. I'm also curious about about the dash cam equipment. I believe Pr. 24:3-4 would be appropriate in this situation.

Not gonna say I fixed it for you, but maybe, enhanced it for you. Actually the chapter is pretty good as a whole.

Thanks. Actually I messed it up completely. Should have been Pr. 26:4

concreteguy wrote:

TJW815 wrote:

concreteguy wrote:2 things. I'm also curious about about the dash cam equipment. I believe Pr. 24:3-4 would be appropriate in this situation.

Not gonna say I fixed it for you, but maybe, enhanced it for you. Actually the chapter is pretty good as a whole.

Thanks. Actually I messed it up completely. Should have been Pr. 26:4

lol, that's a REALLY good one for this. Good find.

Since escalation is defined as the process of increasing or rising, it would seem to me that meeting the road ragers level of stupidness, without raising it, would NOT be considered escalation.

If someone is tail gating or brake testing, etc., being met with a good "you're acting stupid" or a figurative gesture of such doesn't seem to be "escalating" -- it seems to be same level.

If the road rager then decides that he's going to teach the person a lesson that is doing nothing more than he is doing, then it would again seem to me that the road rager is the escalator.

Are escalation or de-escalation the only two alternatives. Is there not a third alternative of "same level of action"?

(I'm not arguing that the one with the gun shouldn't attempt to do everything possible to de-escalate. That's just smart. But......from a legal perspective, why can't you tell someone they're acting like a jerk, if indeed they are, just because you're carrying a gun?)

WayneB wrote:Since escalation is defined as the process of increasing or rising, it would seem to me that meeting the road ragers level of stupidness, without raising it, would NOT be considered escalation.

If someone is tail gating or brake testing, etc., being met with a good "you're acting stupid" or a figurative gesture of such doesn't seem to be "escalating" -- it seems to be same level.

If the road rager then decides that he's going to teach the person a lesson that is doing nothing more than he is doing, then it would again seem to me that the road rager is the escalator.

Are escalation or de-escalation the only two alternatives. Is there not a third alternative of "same level of action"?

(I'm not arguing that the one with the gun shouldn't attempt to do everything possible to de-escalate. That's just smart. But......from a legal perspective, why can't you tell someone they're acting like a jerk, if indeed they are, just because you're carrying a gun?)

That's my thing..When did I give up my first amendment right?..Words are just words..The same with gestures..The other jackwagon kept it escalated from the beginning..getting out of his vehicle further escalated it.

I first thank the OP for sharing his story. I know there are always two sides to every story, and it sounded like we have his side of the story. Generally somebody doesn't freak out like that unless they feel provoked. This is pure speculation, but anytime a situation like this escalates, usually there was at minimum a mistake made. I guess my point is that if you're the type of driver that invites road rage more than a time or two, potentially evaluate how you drive too. You may not think you're doing anything wrong, but where I get the most anger in a car is as a passenger in my father-in-law's car when he camps in the left lane, going the limit or just over, staying parallel with the cars next to him, never letting anyone pass. He gets so many honks and tailgates, but yet he won't admit that he's the moron, he'd much rather complain about the aholes on the road. I have no idea if this applies at all the OP and am not implying such, but avoidance is the best action whether armed or not. Self reflection and awareness is also a virtue.

Bama.45 wrote: That's my thing..When did I give up my first amendment right?..Words are just words..The same with gestures..The other jackwagon kept it escalated from the beginning..getting out of his vehicle further escalated it.

The first amendment doesn't protect speech between individuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_o ... ted_States

Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or trevers public policy are almost always permitted. There are exceptions to these general protections, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as rights for authors over their works (copyright), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are often made between speech and other acts which may have symbolic significance.

HancockCountyHAl wrote:I'd love to see your dash cam video and a little info on what brand you have. I can see a real benefit in having one but am unsure of what to get.

Although I am not the OP, I have some personal experience with two different dash cam models. I did some research on them a few years ago and came up with these two. I bought them both from "http://www.spytecinc.com/" in NYC and was completely satisfied with their service.

the "G1W" ....... http://www.spytecinc.com/g1w-1080p-hd-c ... amera.html is as simple to use as a "point & shoot" camera. Built in viewing screen. Very good quality video. I've used this camera for 1.5 years in my personal vehicle with no problems with the camera itself. The suction cup has had some problems but is still functional.

the "mobius" .... http://www.spytecinc.com/mobius-1080p-h ... amera.html is smaller than the G1W and is very capable. It's not as user friendly and requires a computer to set up. I've used this camera in my work truck daily for 1.5 years with no problems.

Check out https://dashcamtalk.com/ for everything you want to know and more about dash cams.

Scott

Hiflyer, Thanks for the input.