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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby OhioPaints » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:19 am

djurz33 wrote:My brother in law is leo, and we have argued this before. If he gets pulled over he holds his hands out the windows says its the safest way. Not that I like it one bit, but if I end up in a similar situation I think I will ask to be disarmed or cuffed for my own safety. I would hate to get shot for scratching a itch or something of the like.


Your BIL's advice is scary. He sure does not trust his fellow officers! It implies that cops are dangerous to normal citizens.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Tweed Ring » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:40 am

I don't know what would happen if they become so empowered. Over the years, I've worked with police, deputy sheriffs, and with troopers, and also socialized with these people. I've found many of the troopers and many of their supervisors I've met were against Ohio's CHL law.

The OSP takes their political direction, and most of their law enforcement philosophy, from the Ohio Governor...as it should be...
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Brian D. » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:45 am

Tweed Ring wrote: The OSP takes their political direction, and most of their law enforcement philosophy, from the Ohio Governor...as it should be...


Hmm, they must feel sort of lost at sea right now with our Governor away campaigning for POTUS. Maybe our Lt. Governor, who by some of her own listed personal background is pretty pro-firearms, should step up and give our OSP some guidance. By guidance I mean a public backhand across their chops, at least on this issue of getting over their petulance about the fact that we have licensed concealed carry, no-license-needed open carry, etc.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Tweed Ring » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:02 pm

Brian D. wrote:
Tweed Ring wrote: The OSP takes their political direction, and most of their law enforcement philosophy, from the Ohio Governor...as it should be...


Hmm, they must feel sort of lost at sea right now with our Governor away campaigning for POTUS. Maybe our Lt. Governor, who by some of her own listed personal background is pretty pro-firearms, should step up and give our OSP some guidance. By guidance I mean a public backhand across their chops, at least on this issue of getting over their petulance about the fact that we have licensed concealed carry, no-license-needed open carry, etc.


He is only a telephone call away.

Ohio Auditor Dave Yost is pro-Second Amendment.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Brian D. » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:04 pm

Maybe my take on the OHP would be more positive if I were coach of a state university's basketball or football team. They get a protective detail whenever the teams go to other states.

And it seems like most all the other states do that same thing. Wonder what it costs, and why the local police wherever the contests are held can't handle the task themselves?
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Tweed Ring » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:11 pm

I asked a trooper how much in time and wages it cost to protect a gubernatorial candidate, and he told me it was none of my business.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Brian D. » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:31 pm

Tweed Ring wrote:I asked a trooper how much in time and wages it cost to protect a gubernatorial candidate, and he told me it was none of my business.


I've been told that Presidential candidates, at least when the field is winnowed down some, get U.S. Secret Service protection. So if you happen to be a state governor at the time, you get TWO protective details assigned to you. Just possibly a little overlap there, not to mention expensive.
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Postby Tweed Ring » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:01 pm

My question was about our gubernatorial candidate, who was spending his day campaigning in Cornfield County. I wondered about and subsequently made inquiry about the dynamics of a Democrat governor providing security to his Republican opponent. Obviously, the trooper didn’t understand my sense of humor. He must have been in the placebo group.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby JediSkipdogg » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:56 pm

Brian D. wrote:Maybe my take on the OHP would be more positive if I were coach of a state university's basketball or football team. They get a protective detail whenever the teams go to other states.

And it seems like most all the other states do that same thing. Wonder what it costs, and why the local police wherever the contests are held can't handle the task themselves?


I think the detail is if they are taken by bus. If they fly to California, I highly doubt they fly OSP to California. My experience working the Bengal's games and talking with KSP that is there is jurisdiction. Sure, while they are waiting for the buses to leave they have no power, but Ohio has no power once they hit that Ohio/Kentucky bridge. So Ohio escorts to the bridge with Kentucky then Kentucky carries it on.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Brian D. » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:57 pm

I have watched bowl games many times that were held nowhere near either team's home state. Both teams had their own states' police in attendance, right on the sidelines. They were uniformed, armed, etc.

In addition the host locale had their own local/county/state LE right there too.

That's a lot of expense for protecting groups that are not critical to national security or the like.

It all strikes me as rather over the top, Jedi.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Tweed Ring » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:59 pm

Reciprocity.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Brian D. » Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:06 pm

Tweed Ring wrote:Reciprocity.


As in mutual back scratching? Well as I've come to know you through the years, sometimes your one word replies go over my head, Tweed.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Tweed Ring » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:01 pm

If armed officers from one state, carry arms for the protection of a principle/principles in another state, there must be a degree of reciprocity.
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Bama.45 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:05 pm

Tweed Ring wrote:If armed officers from one state, carry arms for the protection of a principle/principles in another state, there must be a degree of reciprocity.


That would make sense TR..I know when football coaches travel to other states, they are usually accompanied by their state police etc..I haven't thought about it though lol
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Re: OSHP Public Records reply

Postby Brian D. » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:38 pm

I just don't understand why coaches/players merit that (expensive) level of protection. Also seems to me that a LOT of looking the other way takes place.

See Patino, Rick, University of Louisville for one current example.

I could cite several more with a modicum of research, just going back a few years tops.
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