My point is that shake-and-bake is too quick and too easy to consider doing it any other way, and the risks posed by that method are fairly well known. If they want to produce more quantity, they get more two-liter bottles. Any moron with a few smurfs can cook. Even the old-school cooks have gone to one-pot method.Thug Hunter wrote:I've done Nazi, red P, and one pots. In the last year, just one pots. In the last two or so, at least one red P. Overall, our labs are down in the last year, but seizures of high quality meth in bulk amounts are up. Hopefully, labs will continue to decline. I don't know what state or nationwide numbers are.Werz wrote:In all fairness:Thug Hunter wrote:2. All the meth labs you have done were of the "one-pot" variety.
3. You had good, credible intel on every lab before you made entry.
- How many Nazi or Red P labs have you seen in the last year? In the last two years?
- If you don't have good, credible intel, how do you have probable cause to make entry?
Just sayin' ...
The issue is credible intelligence and how that will effect a light source. For a traffic stop, it will almost certainly be either [1] pre-cook assembly, [2] meth trash, or occasionally, [3] a cooking one-pot in a bag or backpack. In any event, those risks are fairly well defined. If someone finds production materials, you get the important information from the person who saw it before you make entry by consent. If you make a non-consensual, warrantless entry under exigent circumstances, you need probable cause of an active cook, i.e., the same degree of proof you would need for a search warrant, plus an immediate danger. R.C. 2933.33. Given those circumstances, you should still have pretty good information as to what you're facing.Thug Hunter wrote:Specifically to neutralize clandestine laboratories, we have made entry numerous times into vehicles and buildings without warrants. Some examples are traffic stops in which officers see signs of labs and stop searching at that point, and supposedly empty buildings in which the landlord finds a lab and gives us permission to enter.
The ultimate point is that it's better to be able to see where things are, and who else may be present, than to split hairs about the possibility of ignition from a light source.