Did I keep something from escalating?

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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

Post by AmendII71 »

I like the camera idea by the wife. Overall good thinking. However, I have to agree with TWEED. I tend to stay out of domestic disputes. IF the male ups his physical approach with the female and child starts getting some of the abuse, then by all means take immediate action.
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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carmen fovozzo wrote:Well Well. I do not agree the way you handled it....If they were husband and wife or just the parents of the kid, I don't believe putting your hand on a shoulder is a crime...
...I think you over reacted.....IMO..
I would of observerd a while longer...if he had been more aggressive then I would of spoken up as you did..and be at the ready as you did.....
I have to agree with Carmen on this one. :D
I would of watched, but kept my mouth shut.
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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I'm glad it ended ok for you. Unfortunately it would appear that's probably not the end of troubles for that couple...

You are about the most prepared guy I know when it comes to voice recorders and whatnot. I guess it goes to show we all can be caught unprepared from time to time.
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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Tweed Ring wrote:I take a different position. I tend to be a devout coward. I acknowledge my lack of good fortune, and the dangers of violating the absolute tenets of the Iron Triangle of Trouble.

Given this fact-pattern, I believe I would have secured those with me in a locked vehicle, with the motor running, called 911, been a good witness, and immediately left the scene.

(Full disclosure. One bright, sunny, summer day, near the intersection of Eddy and Arlington Roads, I decided to assist a poor lady who was being beaten by two thugs. After they gave me a good tune up, I was supine on the sidewalk, she kicked me repeatedly. I remember her pink tennis shoes as I lay upon the sidewalk, attempting to protect my head from her repeated kicks. Taught me a valuable lesson - domestic situations can be dangerous, and intervention can be painful.)
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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Unless he was beating her to death i would not get involved i would call 911 and be a good witness. :|
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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I would say you risked escalating the conflict by getting involved. If he decided to engage you physically it could have turned out bad.
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So where the heck is Dave ?
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I would have started my car and left and not gotten involved. I am not going to put myself in a situation where I may have to use my firearm unless there is an immediate threat and danger to my life. That's just me however. I know others feel differently. For me security is 90% avoiding bad situations.

I say even if you saved her from a beating if you would have had to shoot him, your the one that is going to be in jail defending yourself and if you make it through the criminal trial then you have to deal with his mother telling everyone what a "good boy" he was, and you find yourself a big civil suit. She obviously has made a choice to be with someone like that let her deal with it.
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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Sorry, Carmen. I've been busy driving the speed limit in the left lane. :P
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What did the cops say when they showed up?
The cops didn't show up.

The 911 operator transferred us to the Athens city police, then city transferred me to the patrol officer. By then, the male was out of my sight.

The patrol officer said, "That's how it's supposed to work. I wish more people would do that."
Tweed Ring wrote:I take a different position. I tend to be a devout coward...
As do I. I am armed to protect me and mine.

But being there for the show this guy put on...and all the variables that presented themselves...I made a choice.

When my wife and I were commenting about it being a domestic issue, I told her, "...as long as he's not hitting her."

This guy was, literally, twice the size of the female. There was a child present. His facial expression changed significantly as he caught up with her. He grabbed her on top of her right shoulder with his right hand, but the female pulled away just as I said, "Hey!"

We were in a public area during daytime with clear weather. There were people in the area next to the building off to my right.

I did not intend to get physically involved if their dispute went physical. That's when witness-only mode would kick in. I hope.

I had a spot to stand with a car door between me and the male. I had my wife to call 911 and be an additional witness.

I did not start the initial assault, I interrupted it. The female kept moving. At that point, IMHO, a separate threat appeared when the male turned toward me. It could be construed that I started the new threat, so I made no inflammatory comments or motions to the male that might escalate things. My wife reminded me that I did tell him, "You have a nice day", after he started walking back towards the SUV.

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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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carmen fovozzo wrote:Spinning someone is not a crime I believe ...
Grabbing someone and spinning them around is a use of force, particularly in light of the fact that she was obviously walking away with a child as he was cursing at her in a loud and profane manner. It could range from Unlawful Restraint ("without privilege to do so, *** knowingly restrain[ing] another of the other person's liberty," R.C. 2905.03), a third degree misdemeanor, to Abduction ("without privilege to do so, *** knowingly, [and by] force or threat, restrain[ing] the liberty of another person under circumstances that *** place the other person in fear," R.C. 2905.02), a felony of the third degree. Whether one should intervene in such a situation is a legitimate subject of debate, but given the facts as described, I would not grant the perpetrator any justification for his actions.
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I now believe.No spinning...
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carmen fovozzo wrote:I now believe.No spinning...
When I go see The Nutcracker, I'll be going after all those male ballet dancers! :twisted:

I mean that in a most legal, perfectly innocent kind of 'going after'. :oops:
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It also occurred to me while reading the thread title repeatedly pop up on the "View New Posts" page that the title is most likely incorrect.

Sad to say, you probably did not keep something from escalating, only delayed it. Wanna' bet that lady ended up with a beating afterwards because you frustrated the jackwagon?
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Re: Did I keep something from escalating?

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Who among us has not yelled and cussed out their wife ??

I haven't...cussed out that is...
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