What is sufficient for carry?

[CroManGun]

A right NOT exercised, is a right LOST.

Ever injure yourself while exercising? Pull a muscle? Twist an ankle?

Ultimately that's just part of exercise. You heal, you get stronger and move on. But you also LEARN from it. You learn to stretch so as to avoid that nasty groin pull. You learn better form so as to not hurt that shoulder while lifting. Et cetera.

Exercising rights is much the same. There are better (and worse) ways to do it. When one way results in negative consequence it is time to re-assess the HOW and revise the method of exercise.

No need to abandon anything. But after we heal we need to make sure not to re-injure ourselves in the exact same way.

Good analogy. When exercising your rights, using some performance enhancer (common sense) goes a long way toward achieving the desired results.

[Glock513]

Interesting analogy, nice!! . People should learn from their mistakes, but unfortunately they don't.

The police, the SWAT team, the FBI, Homeland Security, none of their OC carry long guns. They only get them out of the car when they are engaged or pretty sure they are about to be engaged in combat. If LEO's don't think it's necessary to OC a long gun 24/7, why do we, when we have even less chance than a LEO of being engaged in armed combat? It just makes no sense . These long gun OC'ers are hurting the cause. They give anti-gunners free ammo to attack the 2nd. Businesses that previously had NO PROBLEM with CCW are now putting up signs prohibited ALL guns in their establishment, unless you're a LEO. This is 100% the fault of these long gun OC'ers. If you truly want to OC a long gun 24/7, join the armed forces and ask to be deployed to an area of serious conflict . There is a 99.99% you will NOT be attacked by domestic terrorist wielding a FAL in aisle 8 at your local grocery store .

A right NOT exercised, is a right LOST.

Ever injure yourself while exercising? Pull a muscle? Twist an ankle?

Ultimately that's just part of exercise. You heal, you get stronger and move on. But you also LEARN from it. You learn to stretch so as to avoid that nasty groin pull. You learn better form so as to not hurt that shoulder while lifting. Et cetera.

Exercising rights is much the same. There are better (and worse) ways to do it. When one way results in negative consequence it is time to re-assess the HOW and revise the method of exercise.

No need to abandon anything. But after we heal we need to make sure not to re-injure ourselves in the exact same way.

[Tweed Ring]

My problem is with those who carry long guns into retail establishments, with no former conversation, nor permission from owners/management.

[JustaShooter]

My problem is with those who carry long guns into retail establishments, with no former conversation, nor permission from owners/management.

As I understand it from posts over on OCDO, the LGOCers in question did have prior conversations and permission from the retail establishments in question - and this still happened.

[Voice]

My problem is with those who carry long guns into retail establishments, with no former conversation, nor permission from owners/management.

As I understand it from posts over on OCDO, the LGOCers in question did have prior conversations and permission from the retail establishments in question - and this still happened.

That's what I've been hearing. These weren't surprise visits. They were pre-arranged.

[Tweed Ring]

Based upon what I have read regarding the latest Texas scenario, if they had prior approval, they lost it quickly.

[Voice]

Based upon what I have read regarding the latest Texas scenario, if they had prior approval, they lost it quickly.

Care to clarify? I haven't seen anything indicating that they lost it prior to leaving on their own. (In all likelihood, hours/days later after the anti-gunners had time to raise an organized stink.)

[JustaShooter]

Based upon what I have read regarding the latest Texas scenario, if they had prior approval, they lost it quickly.

Care to clarify? I haven't seen anything indicating that they lost it prior to leaving on their own.

That is my understanding as well, from what OCT members have posted over on OCDO.

[Tweed Ring]

Based upon what I have read regarding the latest Texas scenario, if they had prior approval, they lost it quickly.

Care to clarify? I haven't seen anything indicating that they lost it prior to leaving on their own. (In all likelihood, hours/days later after the anti-gunners had time to raise an organized stink.)

Ya gotta' do your own research, as the information is out there. If I do it for you, I'll have to charge you...

[Voice]

Based upon what I have read regarding the latest Texas scenario, if they had prior approval, they lost it quickly.

Care to clarify? I haven't seen anything indicating that they lost it prior to leaving on their own. (In all likelihood, hours/days later after the anti-gunners had time to raise an organized stink.)

Ya gotta' do your own research, as the information is out there. If I do it for you, I'll have to charge you...

Sorry, Tweed, but you made the claim, it's not my job to support your claim with evidence, it's yours. In fact, your statement was ambiguous enough that I was asking for clarification on what you meant. If I can't discern *that* from your post, how could I be expected to dig up your incited supporting info if I had the desire to attempt to do so?

[Tweed Ring]

No need to apologize.

Actually, I provided an opinion, biased upon what I had read. If you want me to cite chapter and verse, i.e. research and provide supporting documentation, then we must start with a personal services contract regarding hours, compensation, expenses, etc.

For many years, I was paid for performing research and providing my opinion to others based upon same. As my hourly rate is expensive, I highly recommend you do your own research on the matter. But, if that is not doable, for whatever reason, I am only a PM away.

"They also serve who stand and wait..."

[AmendII71]

Although I do get the urge from time to time to strap on a Long Rifle or Shotgun and go eat at the local McDonalds just because I am in that kind of mood, my better Angels usually win out on this one. I don't look down on this type of action (obviously) but in the end do I think it hurts or helps the cause................................Unfortunately I think it hurts.

[carmen fovozzo]

Well well....72% say handguns......9% say rifles.....obvious conclusion....

[Glock513]

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Long gun OC'ers are becoming cancerous to all gun owners.

[dcludwig]

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Long gun OC'ers are becoming cancerous to all gun owners.

Chili's, which is owned by Brinker International, said Friday, "We kindly ask that guests refrain from openly carrying firearms into our restaurants and we will continue to follow state and local laws on this issue."

There is clarification in that statement. CC and you have no problem. If you HAVE to carry a long gun, try calling ahead and find a restaurant that will accommodate you. Or, provide more fuel to the fire lit by Mr. Bloomberg and his flock.