LEO response to MWAG call

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LEO response to MWAG call

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I know this will touch off a lot of questions, and probably some lively debate, but I'm looking for some perspective for those of you who have done this for a while or any LEOs on the board that want to chime in.
Is it a standard and acceptable response for an officer to detain someone at gunpoint, ordering them to their knees, etc because they were seen arming themselves in a parking lot? Is it out of line to expect that an officer might take a moment to assess the person in question and note that they are not behaving in a criminal way and thus make their approach a little less aggressive? Or am I being unreasonable. (This is a serious question.)
I'm not ready to talk about this incident in detail yet, until I finish working out specifics with my attorney, but what do you folks think?
Before anyone writes me off as a cop hater, I want to say that I have a lot of respect for the job that they do. I understand that it is dangerous and that they want to be safe and protect the public. I also understand that their job often brings them into contact with criminals who may at first appear to be normal every-day folks, thus they must be suspicious of everyone, until they have more information. So I'm not putting this out here to start a cop bash.
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Sounds unpleasant. Go get 'em, tiger.
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I'm not sure I can comment on all your questions, but you brought up a situation that I have feared. I prefer to change (arm/disarm) in the added privacy of the inside of a vehicle just to make sure to help avoid situations like this. We shouldn't have to, but.
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Absent additional facts and circumstances, I would opine that such a response is neither standard nor acceptable.

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While I can give almost direct hand knowledge, I won't as the scenario has about ten different responses. Was it self-initiated or based off a police dispatch? If off a police dispatch, what other information were they given for the dispatch? Was the translation between the caller to the dispatcher and the dispatcher to the officer(s) error free? What exactly is the parking lot?

With the vague info, one shall unfortunately get a vague response at this time. (and that just has to do with the subject matter at hand.)
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I agree with sodbuster95.

Waiting patiently for more info.

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I do hope to be able to share more information soon. Public records requests will be going out tomorrow. I was just wanting some general opinions on if I was off base being a bit upset over how it went down.
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Being as I have first hand experience with this type if thing, I will also refrain from response until further info is given.
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I will say that I can see the officer's point of view, they don't know you or why you have a gun. With that being said, I certainly would be upset being treated like an armed criminal. This reminds me of an anecdote I read in a Bill Jordan book: Bill was talking about holster design and he was saying that officers should carry their revolver's with the retaining strap snapped to the back when they are in their cars on duty. The idea was that when you make a stop and are approaching the vehicle you would not then have to unsnap the strap which the citizen could view as a menacing act. Bill did not want the officer's supervisor to receive an angry phone call later. When did the change go from the officer worrying about upsetting the citizen to needing to treat everyone like a violent felon?
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lairdstew wrote:When did the change go from the officer worrying about upsetting the citizen to needing to treat everyone like a violent felon?
Not to sway too far off topic but around the same time we went from a community oriented policing model to a war on everything model. I think some we are slowly going back to COP but unfortunately most of the times it's being done through the legislative process. Does someone have two marijuana seeds in their car really make them a bad person? So did overnight all of the people in Colorado magically become good people since it's now legal? The same can be said about gun rights and gun calls. If we remove officer notification, because we don't want to notify, do we go from evil to good overnight? It's funny that officer discretion exists quite a bit, yet in some areas, some departments, some officers, don't know what that discretion is and feel if they get a call the person must be treated badly if there's a possible crime.
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I can't imagine a cop going all aggressive on you, and I hope it wasn't in front of your girlfriend
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It happened Chuck... And no, thankfully not in front of her.
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Chuck wrote:I can't imagine a cop going all aggressive on you, and I hope it wasn't in front of your girlfriend
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techguy85 wrote:I do hope to be able to share more information soon. Public records requests will be going out tomorrow.
Might want to consider a video recording request too. Nowdays, most parking lots have cameras, so there may be coverage of the incident.
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JediSkipdogg wrote:
lairdstew wrote:When did the change go from the officer worrying about upsetting the citizen to needing to treat everyone like a violent felon?
Not to sway too far off topic but around the same time we went from a community oriented policing model to a war on everything model. I think some we are slowly going back to COP but unfortunately most of the times it's being done through the legislative process. Does someone have two marijuana seeds in their car really make them a bad person? So did overnight all of the people in Colorado magically become good people since it's now legal? The same can be said about gun rights and gun calls. If we remove officer notification, because we don't want to notify, do we go from evil to good overnight? It's funny that officer discretion exists quite a bit, yet in some areas, some departments, some officers, don't know what that discretion is and feel if they get a call the person must be treated badly if there's a possible crime.
Just my warped view of the world, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the majority of new hires in police departments are fresh out of the military. A lot of them just don't grasp the idea that being an LEO, one is a public servant - and dealing with citizens, not insurgents in a war zone.
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