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Tweed Ring wrote:Learn to use the search function. This topic has been beaten about for some time. I train students to notify, using a number of bullet points, as I find some police officers are made more comfortable if there is a notification. Clearly, I am in the minority of the trainers who post hereon. I am also in the minority of those who post hereon, as well.
Most of my students will never be involved in a self-defense shooting. Their only dealing with police officers will come during traffic stops. I want to make those situations as easy as possible for those students.
Life is replete with choices.
Regardless of the method one chooses to utilize, the OP was thretened with arrest. The shoulda, coulda, woulda is moot. A follow up is in order although it probably won't change anything. It never seems to. Shameful that the people in charge of enforcing the laws don't know them.
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Sometimes, people are threatened with arrest. Being threatened with arrest, and being arrested are a bit different.
I train my students that traffic stops are an opportunity for negotiation and for compromise. However, one can opt not to engage in negotiation and compromise.
As I said, life is replete with choices. Live is also about managing one's risk, and maximizing one's opportunities.
mreising wrote:Please contact the brass at the trooper's post to follow up. Even without the trooper's ID info, a general call or letter to the post might help to get the word out. If you are not comfortable doing this let us know the location and someone can send a message.
I understand Tweed Ring's rationale.
I also deeply believe that those who expect us to know the law, should also be expected to know it.
I echo those who said take it up with his post commander, or find someone here who will. Contact me if you have no other luck.
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Tweed Ring wrote:Sometimes, people are threatened with arrest. Being threatened with arrest, and being arrested are a bit different.
I train my students that traffic stops are an opportunity for negotiation and for compromise. However, one can opt not to engage in negotiation and compromise.
As I said, life is replete with choices. Live is also about managing one's risk, and maximizing one's opportunities.
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I also teach my students that every traffic stop is a negotiation. When the officer is at ease, your potential speeding ticket may turn into a warning followed by a discussion of your favorite carry gun.
My partners and I also teach our students that notifying when not carrying may make things go smoother, however that is not the discussion here. In the instant case, the OP was stopped and did not notify because he was not carrying; that was his choice and it was a legal choice. The officer then proceeded to indicate that he could have arrested the OP for failure to notify; the officer was wrong.
What is being recommended here is that the OP contact the Highway Patrol Post to:
1. Determine what the troopers at the post believe to be the law, and,
2. Inform them of the correct law.
Clearly the officer would not have threatened arrest if the OP had notified, but the OP was not required to and that horse has already left the barn. Let's try to get the officers to know the law and then, regardless of the choices one makes regarding notification, we won't keep seeing this issue come up as often. I also am in agreement with those who believe that notification should be done away with.
The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny
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Maybe there should be some state level office that could provide continuing education to law enforcement agencies across...ohwaitthatsrightthereis. Never mind.
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The one time I was stopped, I had to notify. So I did. Stupid law. If I was not armed I *might* say something like " I am not required to notify you I am unarmed, but I am unarmed"......educate the government a bit if they are ignorant.
Dorsal Spine wrote:I also teach my students that every traffic stop is a negotiation. When the officer is at ease, your potential speeding ticket may turn into a warning followed by a discussion of your favorite carry gun.
The way to avoid citatations is to obey the law, not to engage in ritualized displays of submission.
I find that obeying the speed and traffic laws greatly lessens my need to tug meekly at my forelock...
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Tweed Ring wrote:I spent years training law enforcement officers. I learned cops, like most people, tend to respond to cordiality. Again, negotiation and compromise.
I'm polite but not friendly. They should have no expectation of more than that.
Life comes at you fast. Be prepared to shoot it in the head when it does.
Atilla wrote:The one time I was stopped, I had to notify. So I did. Stupid law. If I was not armed I *might* say something like " I am not required to notify you I am unarmed, but I am unarmed"......educate the government a bit if they are ignorant.
The odds are he'll run on about how you're a "civilian" and have no business telling him the law. When they're wrong, they're usually REALLY wrong, and really aggressive about it.
Life comes at you fast. Be prepared to shoot it in the head when it does.
I was OC'ing when I had a recent encounter with a LEO. He was adamant that I had to inform him that I was carrying even though it was visible to his partner and he missed it.
I sent an email to the city police chief and got nothing back.
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charliej47 wrote: I was OC'ing when I had a recent encounter with a LEO. He was adamant that I had to inform him that I was carrying even though it was visible to his partner and he missed it.
I sent an email to the city police chief and got nothing back.
Bet you get something back after showing up for a City Council meeting and telling your story in public. Public officials ignore citizens as long as citizens permit it. Stop permitting it, it'll stop happening.
As a prelude to going to council meeting, send a copy of the e-mail to the Mayor and the Law Director, pointing out to them that your interest is simply that the city police know the law, and don't abuse citizens due to their ignorance of the law. If that doesn't get a reaction, personally, I'd say they're begging for you to bring it up to council !
charliej47 wrote: I was OC'ing when I had a recent encounter with a LEO. He was adamant that I had to inform him that I was carrying even though it was visible to his partner and he missed it.
I sent an email to the city police chief and got nothing back.
Charlie was that in Middletown? I've found that generally, MPD is pretty knowledgeable in this area. I would be surprised, and disappointed if that happened here.
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Atilla wrote:The one time I was stopped, I had to notify. So I did. Stupid law. If I was not armed I *might* say something like " I am not required to notify you I am unarmed, but I am unarmed"......educate the government a bit if they are ignorant.
The odds are he'll run on about how you're a "civilian" and have no business telling him the law. When they're wrong, they're usually REALLY wrong, and really aggressive about it.
That's what a voice recorder and iphone video are for. Followed by civil court remedies if needed.
I was OC'ing when I had a recent encounter with a LEO. He was adamant that I had to inform him that I was carrying even though it was visible to his partner and he missed it. 