unusual notify - state patrol

[carmen fovozzo]

Nov.2012......July 2014.

Things are really slow around here...

[MyWifeSaidYes]

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Looks like they have a little more authority than a meter maid does. Seems the most confusing aspect, for many people, is jurisdiction; in reality, they cover the entire state. Its just that, for most people, their presence isn't felt at the local level.

The thing to realize is that they ARE NOT a state police force although they definitely are not JUST meter maids.

Their jurisdiction DOES NOT cover the entire state, although they have jurisdiction throughout the state.

How do those differ?

Simple. If a Trooper suspects you are guilty of a felony, but you are not on a highway, they have no authority to arrest you UNLESS they are on a security detail, such as at the Statehouse or while protecting the governor.

R.C. 5503.02(A)...
The superintendent of the patrol or any state highway patrol trooper may arrest, without a warrant, any person, who is the driver of or a passenger in any vehicle operated or standing on a state highway, whom the superintendent or trooper has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of a felony, under the same circumstances and with the same power that any peace officer may make such an arrest.
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(E)(3) The superintendent and any state highway patrol trooper, when providing security pursuant to division (E)(1)(a) or (b) of this section, have the same arrest powers as other peace officers to apprehend offenders against the criminal laws who endanger or threaten the security of any person being protected, no matter where the offense occurs.
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So, if a Trooper on traffic duty stops for lunch and sees you in a restaurant, and he KNOWS you are wanted for committing a felony, he would have to call the Sheriff or local police to come and arrest you.

If he waits until you get in your car and pull out of the parking lot, NOW he can arrest you.

[Werz]

Simple. If a Trooper suspects you are guilty of a felony, but you are not on a highway, they have no authority to arrest you UNLESS they are on a security detail, such as at the Statehouse or while protecting the governor.

R.C. 5503.02(A)...
The superintendent of the patrol or any state highway patrol trooper may arrest, without a warrant, any person, who is the driver of or a passenger in any vehicle operated or standing on a state highway, whom the superintendent or trooper has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of a felony, under the same circumstances and with the same power that any peace officer may make such an arrest.
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(E)(3) The superintendent and any state highway patrol trooper, when providing security pursuant to division (E)(1)(a) or (b) of this section, have the same arrest powers as other peace officers to apprehend offenders against the criminal laws who endanger or threaten the security of any person being protected, no matter where the offense occurs.
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So, if a Trooper on traffic duty stops for lunch and sees you in a restaurant, and he KNOWS you are wanted for committing a felony, he would have to call the Sheriff or local police to come and arrest you.

If he waits until you get in your car and pull out of the parking lot, NOW he can arrest you.

Or ...

R.C. 2935.04. When any person may arrest

When a felony has been committed, or there is reasonable ground to believe that a felony has been committed, any person without a warrant may arrest another whom he has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of the offense, and detain him until a warrant can be obtained.

Just sayin' ...

[CroManGun]

Simple. If a Trooper suspects you are guilty of a felony, but you are not on a highway, they have no authority to arrest you UNLESS they are on a security detail, such as at the Statehouse or while protecting the governor.

R.C. 5503.02(A)...
The superintendent of the patrol or any state highway patrol trooper may arrest, without a warrant, any person, who is the driver of or a passenger in any vehicle operated or standing on a state highway, whom the superintendent or trooper has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of a felony, under the same circumstances and with the same power that any peace officer may make such an arrest.
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(E)(3) The superintendent and any state highway patrol trooper, when providing security pursuant to division (E)(1)(a) or (b) of this section, have the same arrest powers as other peace officers to apprehend offenders against the criminal laws who endanger or threaten the security of any person being protected, no matter where the offense occurs.
...

So, if a Trooper on traffic duty stops for lunch and sees you in a restaurant, and he KNOWS you are wanted for committing a felony, he would have to call the Sheriff or local police to come and arrest you.

If he waits until you get in your car and pull out of the parking lot, NOW he can arrest you.

Or ...

R.C. 2935.04. When any person may arrest

When a felony has been committed, or there is reasonable ground to believe that a felony has been committed, any person without a warrant may arrest another whom he has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of the offense, and detain him until a warrant can be obtained.

Just sayin' ...

What method(s) of detainment can "any person" legally use?
Just askin'...

[Werz]

R.C. 2935.04. When any person may arrest

When a felony has been committed, or there is reasonable ground to believe that a felony has been committed, any person without a warrant may arrest another whom he has reasonable cause to believe is guilty of the offense, and detain him until a warrant can be obtained.

Just sayin' ...

What method(s) of detainment can "any person" legally use?
Just askin'...

Are you asking about detainment, or are you really asking about use of force?

Rule of Thumb No. 1: Reasonable and necessary.

But who determines that? If you're unlucky, maybe a jury. And remember: the police have qualified immunity.

Rule of Thumb No. 2: If there's no immediate danger, mind your own business.

[djmac1964]

Nov.2012......July 2014.

Things are really slow around here...

Kinda reminds ya of you in the left lane.......

[pirateguy191]

Nov.2012......July 2014.

Things are really slow around here...

Kinda reminds ya of you in the left lane.......

^^^ Oh, now that's a good one. Way to be, Don.

[carmen fovozzo]

Both of you guys are on my list....

[charliej47]

I remember being pulled over and asked "where is your weapon?"

I stated which one without thinking and the LEO put his hand on his weapon and asked "how many do you have?"

I said, "I have a 40 cal on my right hip, a 380 in my pocket, a folding knife in my other pocket, a 22 on my ankle and a pump in the back".

The LEO grinned and said "you expecting trouble?" I said "No, if I was I would have brought along a buddy for support" and laughed.

After he checked everything, he told me to drive more careful.

[GWC]

If a "handgun carried for defensive purposes" is not a "weapon", then what is?

Handguns are specifically designed and carried to inflict enough damage to an attacker to stop the attacker from harming the person carrying said handgun. It is, by definition, a weapon. It would be useless if it were not one. It is a defensive weapon, but that does not stop it from being a weapon, regardless what the NRA wants its instructors to teach their students.

Words mean things. Let's leave the mealy-mouthed phony word games to Bloomberg and his fellow travelers, and call them on it.
It weakens our argument against made-up terms like "assault weapons" and "Saturday night specials" when we engage is the same type of sophistry.

The Ohio State Highway Patrol are law enforcement, but their jurisdiction is limited to state supported roads and some state property.

Anyone may arrest for a felony anywhere; LEO may arrest for a misdemeanor within their jurisdiction.

[Face]

Where do you find a road anywhere in this state that does not have some type of state support? I live on a township road, that is so close to a city that everyone assumes I'm in the city.

I'm aware that some counties and OSP have jurisdictional issues, but no idea who is winning.... Seems that OSP has moved their direction more into a state police drug enforcement than traffic. - but just my opinion.


Normally county SO handles traffic enforcement, crashes, etc. BUT I have seen OSP do both traffic stops and handle at least one crash.

If a "handgun carried for defensive purposes" is not a "weapon", then what is?


The Ohio State Highway Patrol are law enforcement, but their jurisdiction is limited to state supported roads and some state property.

Anyone may arrest for a felony anywhere; LEO may arrest for a misdemeanor within their jurisdiction.

[Metal1]

Where do you find a road anywhere in this state that does not have some type of state support? I live on a township road, that is so close to a city that everyone assumes I'm in the city.

I'm aware that some counties and OSP have jurisdictional issues, but no idea who is winning.... Seems that OSP has moved their direction more into a state police drug enforcement than traffic. - but just my opinion.
Normally county SO handles traffic enforcement, crashes, etc. BUT I have seen OSP do both traffic stops and handle at least one crash.

If a "handgun carried for defensive purposes" is not a "weapon", then what is?


The Ohio State Highway Patrol are law enforcement, but their jurisdiction is limited to state supported roads and some state property.

Anyone may arrest for a felony anywhere; LEO may arrest for a misdemeanor within their jurisdiction.

Not one bit of movement into State Police Drug Enforcement and not just traffic as you state. The only way they can go the drug enforcement route is through traffic and it certainly isn't serving warrants or dynamic entries. They can't even be members of the Marshals Drug Task Force. The State won't allow it.
Get it through your heads - Highway Patrol that is exactly what they are, let me say it again HIGHWAY PATROL.

OK, I'll upgrade their status. Meter Maids with firearms.

Contrary to the general publics belief, they are very limited in their police powers. Don't believe me, ask one. Although he may tell you otherwise in an attempt to feel like a full LEO he still isn't.

They must be granted the authority to even assist local & county LEO's in most cases. I know some here hold them in high regard but truth be told, they are revenue collectors and not much more. PA have State Police and they have fulll powers to do just about anything they damn well please State wide.
A very big difference exists between Highway Patrol and State Police. Some of you may not like it but it is a fact.

Last time, HIGHWAY PATROL

[gfrlaser]

PA have State Police and they have fulll powers to do just about anything they damn well please State wide.

Sounds like the Rangers in Texas.. very broad power.

[BobK]

PA have State Police and they have fulll powers to do just about anything they damn well please State wide.

Sounds like the Rangers in Texas.. very broad power.

Actually, any Texas-certified LEO, including local, school districts, and county agencies, have amazingly broad powers anywhere in the state.

[Bama.45]

Alabama's State Troopers have full arrest powers etc.. And Alabama game wardens and Marine Police have as much authority, Alabama's marine police can issue traffic tickets etc.