Assulted today in my church parking lot

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Fyr_Capn wrote:Glad your ok. I'm not trying to be a horses posterior just trying to gain insight.
rexles wrote: Well I tell these young men I will just call 911. He jumped at me and grabbed for my phone and grabbed me by my shirt collar. At this time I kicked him in the family jewels ( I hope he never gets to reproduce). He started swinging as me as I tried to just protect myself and get away from him. As we wrestled around he hit me in the head with a couple of glancing blows, I kicked him again and he finally got ahold of my phone and ripped the top off the flip phone. I grabbed his head and was taking him down when he grabbed my wallet out of my back pocket. The other boy (16) stayed out of it( Thank God) He even tried to get his buddy to stop a couple times. I broke free from him and ran about 150yds to where my van was.
Is this not where rexles has a duty to retreat?


I'd say running 150yds away from the encounter would be a pretty good retreat.
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rexles wrote:Got my gun.
Couldn't this have been taken as escalating the situation had not the off duty LEO arrived?
I'd say getting his gun made it a safe retreat.
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Fyr_Capn wrote:
rexles wrote:Got my gun.
Couldn't this have been taken as escalating the situation had not the off duty LEO arrived?

Again just trying to learn.
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deanimator wrote:Idiots have no reason to stop being idiots when there are no negative consequences to their idiocy. The idiot in question just got a bunch of negative consequences all at once, including getting whipped.
I'm all for negative consequences, the more the merrier. Although for this vermin, I'd figure on him being taken out by a LAC in a SD situation. Hopefully, he'll get his death wish granted ASAP.
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Well I got a subpoena today to appear to testify Nov 8 at 9am. :lol:
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rexles wrote:Well I got a subpoena today to appear to testify Nov 8 at 9am. :lol:
Go get em.. :lol:
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It can be fun to testify on a case like this :D

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I'm assuming this is a grand jury subpoena? It's way too early to be charging the yout with anything. With continuances and everything it will be at least six months before he actually goes to trial on anything.

The good news about a GJ subpoena is you generally get it over with at the stated time. When it's a subpoena for a trial it's anybody's guess. You can show up and sit around all day only to find out that your subpoena said 9, the hearing isn't scheduled until 3:30 and then winds up being cancelled due to a continuance that was faxed in the night before. Frustrating.
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djthomas wrote:I'm assuming this is a grand jury subpoena? It's way too early to be charging the yout with anything. With continuances and everything it will be at least six months before he actually goes to trial on anything.

The good news about a GJ subpoena is you generally get it over with at the stated time. When it's a subpoena for a trial it's anybody's guess. You can show up and sit around all day only to find out that your subpoena said 9, the hearing isn't scheduled until 3:30 and then winds up being cancelled due to a continuance that was faxed in the night before. Frustrating.

It just says Toledo Municipal court. Case of State of Ohio vs yout. Doesn't say GJ anywhere.
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rexles wrote:It just says Toledo Municipal court. Case of State of Ohio vs yout. Doesn't say GJ anywhere.
If it's municipal court it's not the county grand jury. Very interesting. Hopefully you don't get jerked around with multiple appearances. Good luck!
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rexles wrote:It just says Toledo Municipal court. Case of State of Ohio vs yout. Doesn't say GJ anywhere.
Not a lawyer here, but if it is municipal court, they can't try him there for any felonies. I believe that will mean either he was only charged with misdemeanor(s), or if there is a felony charge it is a quick formality to have it dismissed in municipal court and bounced up to the county common pleas court.
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pleasantguywhopacks wrote:
rexles wrote:Well I got a subpoena today to appear to testify Nov 8 at 9am. :lol:
Go get em.. :lol:
Good...now go to court and open up an industrial strength can of whoop :!:
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I'm glad to hear everyone came out OK in this one. Reinforces the importance of carrying whenever/whenever you can. Like others have said, my wife doesn't quite get this either. This is the extra kick in the butt I needed to approach my church leadership about carrying there.
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CAAD8N8 wrote:I'm glad to hear everyone came out OK in this one. Reinforces the importance of carrying whenever/whenever you can. Like others have said, my wife doesn't quite get this either. This is the extra kick in the butt I needed to approach my church leadership about carrying there.
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BobK wrote:
rexles wrote:It just says Toledo Municipal court. Case of State of Ohio vs yout. Doesn't say GJ anywhere.
Not a lawyer here, but if it is municipal court, they can't try him there for any felonies. I believe that will mean either he was only charged with misdemeanor(s), or if there is a felony charge it is a quick formality to have it dismissed in municipal court and bounced up to the county common pleas court.
I talked this evening with a friend(Detective for Ottawa Hills) and he said court room 3 is where I go and it most likely will be kicked to Lucas Co. grand jury. Court room 3 is where felonies are handled.
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