Assulted today in my church parking lot

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Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby rexles » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:29 pm

This may be a long story but here goes.
I went to my church this afternoon to fix a few things. As I was pulling into the parking lot I noticed a silver Chevy mini van in the yard behind the building.
I drove back there with my work van and some one had purposely driven off the driveway that goes to the garage out back and into the yard. With the rain we have had the yard was wet and they had it burried up to the rear axles.
I wrote down the plate number and drove up to the church office to ask the secretary ( my duaghter) if they knew about it. She informed me they had already made a police report, that it was not reported stolen and was trying to contact the owner.
I walked throught the church to go back out to the vehichle to get the VIN number. I got the VIN and checked the van out and saw they had run throught alot of yard tearing up the grass. I opened the door and looked in and saw a dope pipe made out of a deer antler that still had soem dope left in it.
I closed up the door and headed across the yard to go back to the church and heard someone yell at me. There were 2 black youths coming towards me. I asked if this was their van.
Yes was the reply. I asked what they were doing on private property and the 19yr old started yelling and cussing as me as he kept coming. I had run him off the property before.
My Kimber 45 is in a holster in my van. :oops: I have permission to carry at church as I am one of the deacons. I carry on Sundays and Wednesdays when we have services. But I just don't carry with me when I am working, but it is always in my van.
Well I tell these young men I will just call 911. He jumped at me and grabbed for my phone and grabbed me by my shirt collar. At this time I kicked him in the family jewels ( I hope he never gets to reproduce). He started swinging as me as I tried to just protect myself and get away from him. As we wrestled around he hit me in the head with a couple of glancing blows, I kicked him again and he finally got ahold of my phone and ripped the top off the flip phone. I grabbed his head and was taking him down when he grabbed my wallet out of my back pocket. The other boy (16) stayed out of it( Thank God) He even tried to get his buddy to stop a couple times. I broke free from him and ran about 150yds to where my van was. Got my gun.
About now the sherriff deputy that lives just east of our 15acre property comes flying in the parking lot in his pick up. (off duty). His son saw us fighting across the field and told his dad. THANK GOD.
I run back around the corner with my 45 and he has his gun drawn on the 19yr old. The 16 yr old was already on the ground with his hands behind his back. I inform that I have a CCL and he tells me to keep my gun on the kid on the ground.
My Pastor pulls in about the time I am running through the yard with my gun and pulls around to see what is going on. He sees the deputy with a gun out and doesn't reconize him.
Calls 911 and tries to tell them to get Toledo PD out there explaining he has one on the ground and two with guns. He told them one(me) was a church member with a CCL.
The deputy tells him to tell 911 that an officer needs assistance.
19yr yout cusses deputy telling him so shoot him. Deputy knows him by name and knows where he lives as he has been in much trouble in neighborhood.Deputy puts up his gun and gets out his Mag lIte. Tries to talk him down etc. Boy on the ground asks me to let the cops know he tried to get his friend to back off and that he wasn't involved.As the first TPD car pulls into lot the yout lets the deputy handcuff him. I didn't have a holster on me so I stuck my gun in my pocket.
3 TPD show up, I notify each of them. No big deal. After some question/answer time I tell one of the officers I am going to go secure my weapon in my van.
19 yr old yout had 4 warrants out on him. More question/answer time. Towed van away. Broken phone. Ruts in the yard.
Turned 16 yr yout loose. 19 yr Yout got a ride downtown. Charged with property damage. robery, and a felony for taking my phone when I was dialing 911.
Pastor made fun of me for having a CCL and not having my gun on me when I needed it . THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!! :wink:
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby pleasantguywhopacks » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:34 pm

Just confirms my comfort being able to carry at church.

Glad it worked out for you as well!
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby Chuck » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:50 pm

Good job!!
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby muxtech » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:10 pm

Glad you are OK and the BG went to jail. I'm a believer in self defense training for folks who can do it. Many many bad situations begin with an assault similar to yours. Nice counter attack with the groin kicks BTW. Practicing punching, kicking, blocking, and footwork, is as important as range time in my opinion. Knowing where to attack an opponnent is worth one's time to learn. Even if all we have to do is hold out until help arrives. It sounds like you did great. Good on ya!
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby Imcrazy » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:31 pm

Glad you are OK Rex! Scary ordeal at best....
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby Beekeeper » Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:32 am

Sounds like you got pretty lucky that both of them didn't jump you instead of just the one. Glad you got out alright.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby JediSkipdogg » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:33 am

Just goes to add to my point that anything can happen anywhere. I get asked all the time why I carry at church or when I'm the only one at church and this here proves my point. Glad you are alright.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby ArcherAce » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:19 am

Glad to hear you're ok, rex.

Shameful the direction that area is taking. I grew up over there.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby jburtonpdx » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:18 am

Very glad you are OK.

Sounds like there are some lessons to learn from this one.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby BobK » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:22 am

I sincerely hope that I never have to post in these forums that I was assaulted and was not armed. I sympathize with your embarrassment over that issue.

However, it was also a cheap lesson in that you were not hurt, so maybe this event will end up saving your life someday when the balloon goes up and you are grateful that you are armed to meet the challenge.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby Sevens » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:35 am

Man, that's a wild one! Sounds like you did a fine job holding your own against a 19-yr old worthless punk, unarmed.
YEAH, you get a demerit for not carrying your handgun, but you fought your way to it, and that means a lot.

I'm also glad to hear that the younger kid made the right choices and I hope things get better for him.

Glad you are okay! Score another one for the good guys.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby carmen fovozzo » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:14 am

JediSkipdogg wrote:Just goes to add to my point that anything can happen anywhere. I get asked all the time why I carry at church or when I'm the only one at church and this here proves my point. Glad you are alright.


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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby DigitelD » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:43 am

Thanks for posting this. I am a Pastor and I normally carry when I am at the church in between services. We have some who carry during the services.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby scriz » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:33 am

Exactly the reason why I carry EVERYWHERE. There are only 2 places that I do not carry; Church and work. I have not gained permission from the church counsel yet and I work on an Air Force Base.

My father-in-law is a counsel member and has been attending this church for 23 years. I think its time for me to have a sit down with the counsel.

Rex, I'm glad to hear that you were not hurt. I'm also glad to see the 16yo found his buddies actions to be something he wanted no part of. Maybe he'll see him as an example and steer into a different path.
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Re: Assulted today in my church parking lot

Postby D-Day » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:36 am

Dang, glad you're okay! Thanks for writing that up. Tense situation for sure.
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