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Mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida on Sunday

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Police have identified the mass shooter who terrorized a video game tournament in a shooting spree that was partially captured on a horrifying livestream.

David Katz, 24, killed himself and two others, and left 11 people injured in the shooting at the Jacksonville Landing complex in Jacksonville, Florida at around 1.34pm on Sunday, police said.

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An official close to the investigation said that the gunman killed himself with the semi-auto handgun used in the shooting, which had a laser sight.
Everybody making a big deal of the laser sight....ban incoming...machine guns with lasers!

It's a trope that video games are to blame for mass shootings, or gun violence, take your illogical pick...but Madden? Football is violent, I guess... :roll: :roll:
Jacksonville Landing is a gun-free zone and prohibits concealed carry permit holders that would otherwise carry a firearm for self-defense. In this way, Jacksonville Landing is like Orlando Pulse (June 12, 2016) and Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School (February 14, 2018), both of which were gun-free zones.

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There was a so called expert (I think a psychoanalyst? ) that when interviewed by a TV station stated that in this case it wasn't the game content but rather at people obsessed with video games hate to lose, and that's what drove him to do what he did. So of course the (implied) solution for some is to not have winner or losers, that competition itself is the problem. :roll:
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He bought two firearms approximately two weeks ago, then brought them to Florida to a video game competition, into a posted gun free zone, but he didn't pre-plan anything... riiiight.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams said of the shooting that so far, there is 'no indication it was planned prior to Sunday' and that investigators have yet to determine a concrete motive.
David Bennett Katz, 24, purchased a .45 caliber and a 9mm handgun about two weeks prior
The two handguns were purchased legally from a licensed dealer in Baltimore,
Before he attended college, he went to Sheppard Pratt Health System in Towson for psychiatric treatment. His parents made reference to it in divorce papers where they described his two stints there and the fact that he had been prescribed anti-psychotic and antidepressant medications afterwards.
No mention if he's currently taking any kind of medication
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Bruenor wrote:
Before he attended college, he went to Sheppard Pratt Health System in Towson for psychiatric treatment. His parents made reference to it in divorce papers where they described his two stints there and the fact that he had been prescribed anti-psychotic and antidepressant medications afterwards.
No mention if he's currently taking any kind of medication
This seems to be the single common denominator among all of these shootings. Depression would most likely be present too, of course, but I firmly believe that the effects that these drugs have on an individual if not properly dosed (and even if so), are detrimental to proper brain function. For example, the inability to reason with logic, or suppress dark urges.
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So we all say adjudication needs to occur.. What is missing that we can identify these individuals without violating peoples rights.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... y-gun.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In August 2007, Katz was admitted to the Sheppard Pratt Health System in Townson for 12 days, where he was treated with anti-depressants. He spent 13 days at Potomac Ridge, a mental health facility in Rockville around three months later.

In Maryland, gun buyers will fail a background check if they are involuntarily committed for any period of time to a psychiatric ward or voluntarily admitted for more than 30 consecutive days.

Katz's stays were less than two weeks and he does not appear to have involuntarily committed – a process that requires the sign-off from an administrative court judge in most cases.

Police were called to the Katz home at 9558 Many Mile Mews in Columbia 26 times between 2003 and 2009 – 14 calls required no written follow-up and 12 calls had accompanying incident reports.

Among the reasons for call-outs were sex offense, medical emergency, check on welfare, police information, domestic, mental illness, civil dispute, runaway and police assist, according to Howard County Police Department
Dr Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, told DailyMail.com that there was 'no easy answers' in the case because there was nothing in David Katz's background to prevent him from owning a gun.

'In this case, it appears there was no legal justification to keep this individual from owning a gun,' Dr Webster said.

'Generally speaking, it's based on a history of violence and serious criminal activity. Our mental health disqualifiers tend to be those that are connected to a mental illness causing dangerous and violent behavior.'
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Gaming addiction is a real thing. I am thinking of several incidents off the top of my head, not sure if anybody compiles statistics. The Newton shooter definitely comes to mind, directly obsessive with shooter games.

Another incident is the SWATting call in Kansas City. That was a guy {inappropriate language} off at someone in an online game (he SWATted the wrong guy who was killed by a bad shoot by the police IMHO).

Not sure there will serious discussion of the mental health aspects of gaming.

BTW, if you scroll down a followup article interviewed a gaming friend from high school who stated he would game for days without showering, often smelled and looked drugged but likely sleep deprived. His mother described rages and behavior such as punching holes in doors to get his controllers back.
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catfish86 wrote:Gaming addiction is a real thing.
In summary, the diagnostic criteria for Internet Gaming Disorder include:

1. Repetitive use of Internet-based games, often with other players, that leads to significant issues with functioning. Five of the following criteria must be met within one year:

2. Preoccupation or obsession with Internet games.
3. Withdrawal symptoms when not playing Internet games.
4. A build-up of tolerance–more time needs to be spent playing the games.
5. The person has tried to stop or curb playing Internet games, but has failed to do so.
6. The person has had a loss of interest in other life activities, such as hobbies.
7. A person has had continued overuse of Internet games even with the knowledge of how much they impact a person’s life.
8. The person lied to others about his or her Internet game usage.
9. The person uses Internet games to relieve anxiety or guilt–it’s a way to escape.
10. The person has lost or put at risk and opportunity or relationship because of Internet games.

Again, while Internet Gaming Disorder is not an "official" disorder in the DSM-5, the APA is encouraging further research on the disorder for possible inclusion in future editions of the DSM.
Despite how officially insane the DSM-5 is, gaming disorders are on the radar. Idk why the distinction of "internet" gaming is made, but generally video game connects to the web now, so it's almost all the same anyway. I guess online one can say there aren't AI tendencies to learn, because you're playing a group of unknown, potentially evenly ranked humans?
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