John McCain dead at 81

[evan price]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/obit ... -dead.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
RIP

[TJW815]

While I may not have admired his agenda, I respect his service to his country. May he Rest In Peace.

[Gramps]

While I may not have admired his agenda, I respect his service to his country. May he Rest In Peace.

I feel the same way but don't understand why his political decisions were at times leaned toward anti American rights.

[qmti]

John McCain was a great man and I thank him for his service although I feel he hurt the Republican Party in his later years.

[sodbuster95]

It is unfortunate that John McCain's epitaph contains, in essence, an asterisk.

RIP.

[High Power]

It's too bad when anyone dies. John McCain isn't any different. However, he would have been a better Democrat than a Republican.

Here's hoping that a more conservative person will be appointed by Governor Ducey to replace McCain.

The Arizona Republic has a list of possible appointees. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 954586001/

[docachna]

It is unfortunate that John McCain's epitaph contains, in essence, an asterisk.

RIP.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about or not, but he's long been blamed for the 1967 Forrestal fire, with 164 dead, 161 injured.

Interesting post from last year. Draw your own conclusions:


https://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=75575

[bignflnut]

To bolster the claim that he destroyed the Forrestal, though my dad still wanted to go shake his hand during the presidential campaign...

[TJW815]

While I may not have admired his agenda, I respect his service to his country. May he Rest In Peace.

I feel the same way but don't understand why his political decisions were at times leaned toward anti American rights.

Well, he did have brain cancer. Perhaps it was clouding his judgement. I’m sure the last couple years have been tough on him. I give him credit for enduring.

[BEAR!]

Hate to hear of someone dying of cancer but I never liked john mcCain.

For a guy who was tortured for fighting in a stupid war he had no problem sending the youth of this country to fight and die.

If he had his way he would have had us involved in many more senseless and wasteful wars.

[High Power]

I never like McCain. Here's another reason why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuitAruUucY

[M-Quigley]

Since the left supposedly loved McCain so much, how much chance is there that they'll put partisan politics aside, and McCain has suggested in the past, and respect this statement from McCain when Kavenaugh's confirmation hearings start in September?

“In selecting Judge Brett Kavanaugh to fill the vacancy left by Justice Kennedy, President Trump has chosen a nominee with impeccable credentials and a strong record of upholding the Constitution. Over the course of Judge Kavanaugh's impressive legal career, he has built a reputation as a fair, independent, and mainstream judge who has earned widespread respect from his peers. One of the Senate's highest constitutional responsibilities is to provide advice and consent on nominations to the Supreme Court, and I look forward to the Senate fulfilling this critical duty through a fair and thorough confirmation process.”

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/in ... reme-court" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Mr. Glock]

Appears both Trump and Palin has been disinvited to the funeral. Trump, meh. Palin? The McCain folks set her up
to fail and she hasn’t been vindictive about that at all. McCain’s presidential campaign was floundering from the start, and the only big poll jump came from adding Palin. Then he mucked up the financial crisis meeting (with Bush and
Obama) and ended it. And I’m not a Palin fanboy.

As a very well connected lobbyist told me once (represented a company I worked for at the time I was young and naive), “you’d be amazed what these Senators are-and do- away from the public”

[High Power]

Here are some articles that shed a little light on McCain's character. From the first article about the Forrestal fire:

Following McCain’s application for a transfer to the Oriskany, his orders were delayed, and in September he returned to his home in Jacksonville, Fla. There, an old friend, Chuck Larson, saw a change in McCain: The pilot was discouraged about his future. McCain confided to Larson that he might have to get out of the Navy because, in the words of the Timberg biography, “his past had become a burden” and “whenever he joined a new outfit he was dismayed that his reputation for mayhem had preceded him.” Aside from any questions about his Forrestal actions, McCain had, in his short Navy career, crashed two planes and flown a third into power lines in Spain because of, as he put it, “daredevil clowning.”

Even though the investigation of the fire concluded that there was no one person to blame for the fire there have been accusations that McCain's "wet starting" his aircraft started the fire. I wonder if Admiral Moorer's friendship with McCain's father had something to do with the fact that the "wet starting" was not addressed in the investigation.

The investigation into the Forrestal fire was in the hands of Adm. Thomas Moorer, chief of naval operations and a close friend of McCain’s father. (Their friendship was why Moorer would personally convey the news to Adm. Jack McCain three months later that his son had been shot down in Vietnam.) Moorer gave the investigation to Rear Adm. Forsyth Massey, who handed in his report on Sept. 19, 1967. McCain received orders to report to the Oriskany on Sept. 30.

Here is the article: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/inves ... dy-at-sea/

When I was in Air Force Survival School they told us, during the POW training, that everyone will crack under torture or due to trickery. We were told that it is just a matter of time. EVERYONE will succumb. With that said, I don't have anything against McCain for making statements against the US in captivity.

I met a lot of POWs from WWII at the airshows I flew in during the 1980s. I also met some POWs from Vietnam. All of them told me about their daily beatings. The Vietnamese were particularly sadistic.

With what was described to me, it wouldn't be surprising if they said something against their own mothers at the hands of those sadists.

So, McCain was not any different. It didn't come to light until several years ago that he made statements against the US. That was kept quiet as it would have hurt his chances to be elected. Confessing to "war crimes" while in captivity was understandable because of the torture. However he didn't deserve a medal. It would have been deserved IF he DID NOT crack under pressure.

There is a desire among Americans to call everyone who served in Vietnam, especially POWs, heroes. Because McCain went through something that most veterans never experienced they want to call him a hero. I would not call him that just because he was shot down. He happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

An Instructor Pilot of mine said to me; "He got shot down and was captured then they gave him a medal. I brought the aircraft back in one piece and didn't get anything for it!"

Here's a video that explains the lie that McCain's career was built on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHF0yXrwr-0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are two videos that have conflicting views two different POWs of McCain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWEDMLmjKk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfyGdG9llSE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a very detailed account about how McCain dumped his first wife after returning from Vietnam. I think this gives the perfect insight to what his real character is like more than anything else.

From the article:

Carol [McCain's First Wife] insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’

she says. ‘My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn’t the reason for my divorce.

‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’

Some of McCain’s acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.

Full story here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... ehind.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JU-87]

John McCain was a domestic enemy of the Constitution, and particularly an enemy of the Second Amendment.
He wanted the US to be in a constant state of war , with ANY country he could justify one with.
He wanted open borders.

He will not be missed by anyone who loves Liberty.