NRA filing lawsuit, claims in financial trouble

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Bruenor wrote:
bignflnut wrote: The NRA is doing what it does best, whip up a crisis and fund-raise off of same.
I don't think being hit for 8.3 Million dollars in fines by a state regulatory agency, and losing your primary insurance underwriter, is whipping up an imaginary crisis.
I didn't say it was imaginary.
I said they were whipping it up, like they're on an island and just can't get anyone to do business with them.
If Chubb or Lockton want to fight the fines, they can. Realizing it's an uphill slog against an entity with bottomless resources is understood. The NRA can't challenge the fines for Chubb or Lockton...

Tactically, the NRA should shut something down, just to cry poor even louder. Perhaps they will. I've just lost any goodwill for them when they hold themselves out to be stalwarts in our camp.
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They will not be able to find anyone else. When the government regulators step in, nobody will touch them with a ten foot pole.
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New York’s lawyers argue that the state’s letters represent nothing more than government speech. The NRA and the state are engaged in nothing more than a frank exchange of ideas. But while the government does have broad power to engage in its own advocacy, that power has its limits. As the Second Circuit has recognized, there is a difference between “permissible expressions of personal opinion and implied threats to employ coercive State power to stifle protected speech.” When “comments of a government official can reasonably be interpreted as intimating that some form of punishment or adverse regulatory action will follow the failure to accede to the official’s request,” a First Amendment claim exists.

It simply strains credulity to argue that a financial regulator’s letter to the financial institutions it closely regulates urging those institutions to consider “risk management” when dealing with the NRA is nothing more than robust debate. Indeed, the letter at issue is explicitly phrased as offering regulatory “guidance.” The NRA also claims this “guidance” — combined with other state actions — is making corporations fear reprisals if they continue to do business with the NRA.
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As the poor mouth crying continues, it is instructive to remember the NRA's posture after the 2016 elections.

'Our moment to go on offense': NRA makes big plans for Trump presidency

With Republicans poised to control the White House and Congress, the National Rifle Association sees chance to attack gun laws at the state and federal levels

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LaPierre pledged to go after the “tyrannical erosion of gun rights” in the relatively small number of states with very strict gun control laws, such as New York and California. He assailed their “deceitful web of gun bans, ammo bans, magazine bans, exorbitant fees, and taxes and registration schemes”.

The NRA’s priority is a federal law that would make gun-carrying permits issued in one state valid across the country, which would make carrying a concealed firearm across the country as easy as driving your car across state lines.

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Another high priority for the NRA is to end “the absolute fallacy of gun-free zones”, LaPierre said in his address. “Not one more American serviceman or woman should be murdered on a military base because the government denied their right to defend themselves with a firearm.”
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I wonder what would happen if the State of Mississippi intimidated financial institutions into not doing business with the NAACP...
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I should be able to say I am surprised the ACLU is not stepping in to support the NRA on this. This is clearly government trampling on civil liberties.
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catfish86 wrote:I should be able to say I am surprised the ACLU is not stepping in to support the NRA on this. This is clearly government trampling on civil liberties.
But the ACLU counts to 10 as follows.. 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,8, 9, 10

I think I've seen them on the side of a firearms related issue about one time, within the last 15 years.. if it happened more than that i didn't see it.
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Did you ever think you'd see the day?
In a brief filed in federal court today, the ACLU argues that New York's strong-arm efforts to compel banks and insurance companies to ditch the NRA as a customer represent a glaring violation of the First Amendment.

"Although public officials are free to express their opinions and may condemn viewpoints or groups they view as inimical to public welfare, they cannot abuse their regulatory authority to retaliate against disfavored advocacy organizations and to impose burdens on those organizations' ability to conduct lawful business," the ACLU says.

The ACLU's amicus brief never says the group agrees with the NRA's positions on firearms. Instead, the group invokes a long series of First Amendment cases to argue that the regulators should not use their power in office to punish political enemies.

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Today's brief filed by the ACLU points to examples of how liberal groups like Planned Parenthood can also be targeted by governments based on their political views, an approach that courts have shot down on First Amendment grounds:
For example, in Planned Parenthood Association of Utah v. Herbert, the Tenth Circuit held that the Planned Parenthood Association of Utah (PPAU) was likely to succeed on its First and Fourteenth Amendment claims by showing that the Government of Utah denied the PPAU government funding in order to "weaken the organization and hamper its ability to provide and advocate for abortion services." To be sure, unbiased application of facially neutral laws does not violate the First Amendment simply because those laws may affect expressive associations. But the NRA has alleged that Defendants are explicitly targeting the NRA based on its hostility to the NRA's viewpoint and its difference whether Defendants are attempting to suppress a "particularized" instance of speech or "gun promotion" writ large.
For its part, New York State insists that Cuomo's and Vullo's warnings that regulated businesses should ditch the NRA and other pro-Second Amendment groups are perfectly legal.
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LOOOK, up in the sky....PIGS FLYING!!!!
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BTW, the ACLU is pointing out precisely what I said, you can say you don't like the NRA (or any group) and their ideas, but you can't use the levers of government to put them out of business. NY is really doing something quite frightening and should be emphatically put in their place.
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