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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby JimE » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:34 pm

Here is a link straight from ATF that might clarify it a bit.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-in ... rsonal-use

I don't know that the "intent" side of things would be a good defense or not.
I'm no legal eagle, but considering the Fed's are willing to hang a LEO out to dry for a straw purchase (no criminal intent or acts), I would not bet the farm on it for a defense.
Similar to assembling Ar's. At one point, (might have changed) if you built a kit gun, and sold it, you were supposedly liable for the PR Act excise tax.
Odds of getting caught are almost nil , but it still a possibility.

Of course, when you view the GCA of 68 for what it is, a criminal violation of the 2A, based on the Nazi Guns Laws of 1938........
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby bignflnut » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:51 am

A flurry of activity...

Panicked, a trio of gun-control interests (Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Everytown for Gun Safety, and GiffordsPAC) tried to muscle in on the lawsuit at the very last minute and prevent the settlement from going into effect. Friday, after a hearing before Judge Robert Pitman in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, their attempt failed, the settlement went into effect, the lawsuit is over, and the files are being freely distributed.

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Then, making one of Defense Distributed's core legal points in this whole lawsuit for them, Grewal complained that "Posting this material online is no different than driving to New Jersey and handing out hard-copy files on any street corner." Indeed, as Wilson has long argued, the information he wanted to distribute should be protected under the First Amendment, just as if he were printing it, as indeed books or instructional pamphlets about gunsmithing already are.

Josh Blackman, a lawyer on Defense Distributed's side who helped argue this case before Judge Pitman on Friday, says that the attempted intervenors very last minute attempt to throw a spanner in the works required the Defense Distributed team to write over 60 pages of briefs in less than 24 hours. The motions from the three gun control groups were filed very late in the evening on Wednesday, seeking a temporary restraining order on the government to stop them from settling with Defense Distributed.

A hearing was swiftly set up in Austin, Texas, Friday and "after an hour the judge announced from the bench that he'd denied the motion to intervene." Thus, the settlement went into effect "and the case is closed." The gun control groups did not bother trying to appeal the judge's decision and "now there is nothing left to intervene in. They were intervening to prevent the settlement" but the settlement has now gone into effect.

Trying like crazy to stop DD...

Gurbir S. Grewal, the attorney general of New Jersey, sent a threatening letter to Defense Distributed last week that claimed the company's "plans to allow anyone with a 3D printer to download a code and create a fully operational gun directly threatens the public safety of New Jersey's residents....Posting this material online is no different than driving to New Jersey and handing out hard-copy files on any street corner."

Grewal ordered the company "to cease and desist from publishing printable-gun computer files for use by New Jersey residents....Should you fail to comply with this letter, my Office will initiate legal action barring you from publishing these files before August 1, 2018."

Defense Distributed's legal right to post its information was won by the company via settlement this month after a long legal battle with the federal government. Before that settlement, the feds essentially wanted to treat the act of hosting or distributing such files as illegal arms exporting.

Defense Distributed informed Grewal on Friday that "all actions contemplated by Defense Distributed are fully protected by the First Amendment, and [Grewal's] attempts to prevent such actions constitute an unconstitutional prior restraint and otherwise violate the United States Constitution and the New Jersey Constitution."

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UPDATE: Within an hour before filing the above lawsuit, Defense Distributed was informed by the state of Pennsylvania that it was seeking a temporary restraining order in federal court to stop it from distributing weapon-making files in that state. During an emergency telephone hearing before U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond (which lawyer Josh Blackman had to participate in from a United Airlines lounge at LaGuardia Airport), Defense Distributed agreed to, at least through next week, voluntarily block Pennsylvania I.P. addresses until the legal issue can be resolved. As Wilson told Philly.com, despite that, he will "fight any effort by state officials to seek a permanent ban. 'Americans have the right to this data, Wilson said. 'We have the right to share it. Pennsylvania has no right to come in and tell us what we can and can't share on the internet.'"


Somehow, state's rights is the argument?
The lawyers are making some cash on this whole thing...both sides spending like crazy...
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby bignflnut » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:26 pm

Celebrities are freaking out and begging Attorney General Jeff Sessions to block a State Department settlement that will allow Cody Wilson’s Defense Distributed to upload 3-D printed gun instructions online.

The outcry comes just days before the settlement with Defense Distributed takes effect and follows weeks of Democrat efforts to derail 3-D printed guns via Congressional action. These efforts include Sen. Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) misleading claim that 3-D printed guns open the door to a “fully semiautomatic weapon.”


Even though they think this administration is (enter your negative hyperbolic noun here, like a mad lib), they cry out to the State to keep them safe, because it is the only authority they recognize. There is no higher moral authority.

You know, by conflating semi-auto with machine gun, given the redefinition of machine gun going on via Sessions' tyrannical power, one can't help but feel like the whole staged wrestling match is trolling people who actually comprehend what terms mean --- just to stick it in their eye.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby kcclark » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:33 pm

bignflnut wrote:A flurry of activity...

[url=http://reason.com/blog/2018/07/28/gun-control-groups-fail-to-scuttle-settl]


Thanks for the reason.com links. The antis really tried to screw things up at the last minute.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby High Power » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:56 am

I'm busy upgrading the firearms that I already have. Nonetheless, I would still like to educate myself and learn about 3-D printing. It would be nice to build my perfect dream gun.

There's so much information about this in the Internet that it's hard to determine where to start. I would like to start by building a gun in honor of Barbara Eden?

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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby WY_Not » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:11 am

Even if you don't have or don't have access to a 3D printer... If nothing else, as soon as they are available then download as many as possible just in case and just to have them. Get them disseminated as far and as wide as possible.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby sd790 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:07 am

I have the 3D-printer STL files for the Liberator. I will share with anyone who wants them. DM with your email address if you want a copy today. Oops, I guess the link accidentally went live too early. 8)

Also, I paid for a Defense Distributed membership here. There is no better way to support the 2nd Amendment than to help those who are fighting the real battles. OFCC and Cody Wilson come to mind.

I am looking for a free hosting site to distribute the files now. I'm sure their server will be DDNS dead tomorrow. Suggestions?
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby buckeye43210 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:07 pm

High Power wrote:There's so much information about this in the Internet that it's hard to determine where to start. I would like to start by building a gun in honor of Barbara Eden?

OpenSCAD is very easy to learn. Unlike traditional CAD programs that require you to draw the object, OpenSCAD allows you to describe it using a text-based language. Another advantage of OpenSCAD is that designs can be parametric -- dimensions defined as variables can be changed on the fly. There are several examples on Thingiverse

A mechanically inclined individual with a set of calipers and access to this software could "duplicate" almost anything...
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby sd790 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:16 am

A federal judge has ordered the defcad site to be shut down. Apparently, freedom is too offensive for some of our overlords.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby AlanM » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:44 am

Those Controversial 3D-Printed Guns, Explained

There is a poll in the article. Make sure you read the question correctly. IMHO the answer is NO!

Receivers like those in the Defense Distributed case are freely available right now on the open market—and unregulated—because they are “80 percent parts.” That is to say they are about 80 percent of a working firearm, requiring a person to have only a drill press or hand tools, and the requisite DIY skills, to finish the remaining 20 percent.

Building a gun this way from parts already on the market is much easier and cheaper than the new and controversial 3D printing method. I once did it in my own kitchen, and the result is a much more reliable, durable firearm than you'd get from 3D-printed parts. Frankly, 3D printing gun parts is the most complicated way for a criminal to get his hands on a firearm, after stealing a gun from a legal gun owner, buying a gun on the black market, and finishing an 80 percent receiver.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby bignflnut » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:27 am

U.S. District Judge Robert Lasnik issued a temporary restraining order Tuesday afternoon that bars Cody Wilson from sharing 3-D gun print files online August 1.

The order provides time for Democrats to continue pressing President Trump to intervene and prohibit future publication of files all together.

Trump already made it clear he is uneasy with “3-D plastic guns being sold to the public” and suggested someone the NRA shares his uneasiness:
I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public. Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!

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At least Hillary isn't stopping Wilson!!
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby bignflnut » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:35 am

....Back to our heroes.

There's a live site that has the data we're all looking for...

A few hours after U.S. District Judge Robert Lasnik, a Clinton appointee, muzzled Defense Distributed with a court order Tuesday evening, the CodeIsFreeSpeech.com mirror site appeared. It's a project of the Calguns Foundation, the Firearms Policy Coalition, and other civil rights groups, and includes freely downloadable computer-aided design (CAD) files for the AR-15, AR-10, Ruger 10-22, Beretta 92FS, and other firearms.

Soon after the court order, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson announced that his site, DEFCAD.com, was "going dark." The files his company was hosting there have been replaced with a notice saying they have been removed as a result of Lasnik's ruling.

But the court order does not apply to the advocacy groups behind CodeIsFreeSpeech. They were not named as defendants in the lawsuit brought by the Washington state attorney general. Therefore, they don't need to comply with the ruling.

"We, and many others around the country, completely support Cody and Defense Distributed," Brandon Combs, president of the Firearms Policy Coalition, tells Reason. "Some governments and elected officials might want to censor this speech because they prefer a police state. We don't. I don't really give a damn what they'd prefer."


Get to work.
Look for Defense Distributed's attorneys to argue that this is yet another reason the temporary restraining order should be dissolved. A hearing is scheduled for August 10 in Seattle.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby Bruenor » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:06 pm

In related news. The library policy was in place long before this dispute, so no surprise there.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... nting-guns
Both Cuyahoga County and Cleveland Public Libraries have policies banning the printing of weapons.

"Our patron conduct requires that you cannot bring a gun into the library," said Robin Wood, Assistant Director of Public Services for Cleveland Public Libraries. "So obviously we could not let you print a weapon in the library either."



On Tuesday, a spokesman for Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine also confirmed the state would not be joining others suing to block the online posting of the plans.

"Neither Ohio nor federal law prohibits law-abiding citizens from exercising their Second Amendment rights to make their own guns for personal use," read a statement from the AG's Office.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby bignflnut » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:49 pm

Chris W. Cox, executive director, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, released the following statement on Tuesday:

“Many anti-gun politicians and members of the media have wrongly claimed that 3-D printing technology will allow for the production and widespread proliferation of undetectable plastic firearms.”
“Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm.


Chrissy is happy to have the NRA support the status quo...nothing undetectable, everything in its proper database.
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Re: Court victory legalizes 3D-printable gun blueprints

Postby AlanM » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:43 am

The 3D-Gun Debate: Separating Truth from Fiction

Excellent article.
Ends with this:
Why does this keep happening? Why do media outlets and politicians continue to spread false information and then — when called on it — remain proudly ignorant and instead condemn so-called “gunsplaining”?

My own view is simple. For critics of gun rights, details don’t matter because the gun debate is less a policy debate than it is a cultural conflict. The Trump administration’s settlement isn’t so much an outrage on its own terms as it is a vehicle for a different argument — a broader argument against gun culture. And in that broader attack on gun culture, other essential American liberties must be sacrificed, including freedom of expression. Prior restraints on free speech are a small price to pay when gun control is at stake.
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