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The massacre that killed 10 people at a high school in Texas last week was just the latest to happen in a small or suburban city. Of the 10 deadliest school shootings in the U.S., all but one took place in a town with fewer than 75,000 residents and the vast majority of them were in cities with fewer than 50,000 people.

These are seemingly idyllic places to grow up: low crime rates, good schools and a sense of community where everyone seems to know your name. And it's exactly those attributes, experts say, that are why small rural and suburban towns are a breeding ground for the next school shooter.

"Ironically it's people in small towns and suburbia who think it can't happen here. And that is exactly the type of place where it does happen," said Peter Langman, a psychologist who has been studying school shootings for years and operates a database of school gun violence in the U.S. and abroad. "People tend to think of violence associated with cities, not violence associated with small-town America, but this type of violence is the one associated with small-town America."
The prevalence of the mass shootings in smaller cities stands in contrast to the situation in big cities like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. They have strict gun laws and their own problems with street gun violence, but it's rare that a mass shooting has been carried out in one of their schools.

In the 1980s and 1990s, urban districts sought to make schools safer from drug- and gang-related violence, taking such steps as installing metal detectors at entrances. That is exactly what pro-gun Republicans and the National Rifle Association have been proposing in the wake of recent massacres.
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The prevalence of the mass shootings in smaller cities stands in contrast to the situation in big cities like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. They have strict gun laws and their own problems with street gun violence, but it's rare that a mass shooting has been carried out in one of their schools.

In the 1980s and 1990s, urban districts sought to make schools safer from drug- and gang-related violence, taking such steps as installing metal detectors at entrances. That is exactly what pro-gun Republicans and the National Rifle Association have been proposing in the wake of recent massacres.
That right there is the money quote.
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When I looked at the Santa Fe,TX area, it sure looks like a surrounding suburb of Galveston, and not far from Houston.
And I don't recall Broward Co. FL being an "rural" area.
The actual community or city might be small,( 12,000) but the county that Santa Fe is in, (Galveston Co) has a population of 290,000.

We know these things have, and can happen anywhere, at any time. Evil has no boundaries.
But I think this article is intended to scare the small town folks into supporting gun bans and such.
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JimE wrote:When I looked at the Santa Fe,TX area, it sure looks like a surrounding suburb of Galveston, and not far from Houston.
And I don't recall Broward Co. FL being an "rural" area.
The actual community or city might be small,( 12,000) but the county that Santa Fe is in, (Galveston Co) has a population of 290,000.

We know these things have, and can happen anywhere, at any time. Evil has no boundaries.
But I think this article is intended to scare the small town folks into supporting gun bans and such.
If that is the intention of the article the writers have done a very poor job of it. They admit that there is a problem with gun violence outside of the schools despite strict gun control. They also admit the main difference between the urban schools and other schools are measures that have nothing to do with gun bans, and are things that have been long suggested by the NRA. If you are trying to support gun control you don't want to admit the NRA might've been right about something.
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JimE wrote:When I looked at the Santa Fe,TX area, it sure looks like a surrounding suburb of Galveston, and not far from Houston.
And I don't recall Broward Co. FL being an "rural" area.
The actual community or city might be small,( 12,000) but the county that Santa Fe is in, (Galveston Co) has a population of 290,000.

We know these things have, and can happen anywhere, at any time. Evil has no boundaries.
But I think this article is intended to scare the small town folks into supporting gun bans and such.
It's also an attempt to pin school shooting on those flyover country hicks who cling to their religion and their guns.
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rattlehead wrote:
JimE wrote: But I think this article is intended to scare the small town folks into supporting gun bans and such.
It's also an attempt to pin school shooting on those flyover country hicks who cling to their religion and their guns.
That's right. You know the city mouse is on board with gun bans. You know that the city mouse is divorced from gun culture in almost every way.

So where is the battlefield? "Cities" bounded by fields of corn. Not the sprawling metropoli of Chicago, Cleveland or even Toledo.

And who are you trying to influence? New teenage voters or younger, right? Hopefully before anybody teaches them about firearm safety. What better way to do this than to terrorize them when they're surrounded by State Capital?

See kids, gun's er bad, mkay.

People inside corn fields still get married, then they split up and the kids are floating around without a strong family--enter the Nanny State, the only constant in their miserable existence. The only identity they're able to hold onto.

It's not something that secular humanists deny, in fact, they confirm their intent:
In the January/February 1983 issue of The Humanist magazine, a young scholar by the name of John J. Dunphy expressed the aim of humanists in education with these very blunt words:

"I am convinced that the battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: a religion of humanity that recognizes and respects that spark of what theologians call divinity in every human being. These teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach, regardless of educational level -- preschool day care or large state university. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new -- the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism, resplendent in its promise of a world in which the never-realized Christian ideal of "love thy neighbor" will finally be achieved."
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Regarding the statement in the article where it talks about street crime compared to schools shootings, when you look at the number of victims under 21 of violence in school shootings versus street crime, I wonder what the numbers are? I'm betting in those urban areas with strict gun control, if you are under 21 you have a far greater chance of getting shot on the street than a rural area that doesn't have strict gun control, whether in school or not. Some of the worst mass shootings probably barely equals a typical week in just one part of Chicago for example.
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M Quigley is likely right. The point being that there is a tried and true way to keep guns out of schools, the inner city proves it. Small town/cities simply don't want to pony up or believe that the city has come to them in this way. The rot is certainly spreading, but we think the State keeps us safe.
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