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Re: Top 10 ways to spot a Fudd (humor)

Postby Brian D. » Wed May 30, 2018 3:02 pm

schmieg wrote:
A sergeant that worked for me in Viet Nam had picked up an M2 carbine (the fully atuomatic version of the M1 carbine). It was a fun little toy, but it had no real stopping power or range. I still wouldn't want to be shot by one though.


When surplus M-1 carbines were plentiful and cheap on the civilian market 30 or so years ago, I couldn't help but buy one. With soft point or hollow point ammo (not something the military used or had made, mine were reloads), I found they did impressive work on gallon jugs of water, and the one coyote I shot with the carbine.

It was foolish to sell that gun just because of 250% profit, wish I hadn't done that.
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Re: Top 10 ways to spot a Fudd (humor)

Postby M-Quigley » Wed May 30, 2018 5:00 pm

Brian D. wrote:
schmieg wrote:
A sergeant that worked for me in Viet Nam had picked up an M2 carbine (the fully automatic version of the M1 carbine). It was a fun little toy, but it had no real stopping power or range. I still wouldn't want to be shot by one though.


When surplus M-1 carbines were plentiful and cheap on the civilian market 30 or so years ago, I couldn't help but buy one. With soft point or hollow point ammo (not something the military used or had made, mine were reloads), I found they did impressive work on gallon jugs of water, and the one coyote I shot with the carbine.

It was foolish to sell that gun just because of 250% profit, wish I hadn't done that.


Jim Cirillo of the famed NYPD stakeout squad of the seventies and eighties said that the M1 carbine, with HP ammo, was one of the most effective guns they had in stopping a threat. A Korean war vet I once worked with at a factory had an M2 during the Korean war, and he thought it was great. (at close range) Audie Murphy liked the M1 carbine, but in his book it seemed like all the shots with the FMJ rounds were to the head anyway.

When I was in Miami in 1980, one of the local security guards was carrying an M1 carbine with 30 round magazines. I don't know if that was an approved weapon or not, (at the time no one cared what was considered "approved" for security guard use :roll: ) I also don't know how effective it would've been had he had to shoot someone.

The reasons I would not want to use an M1 carbine as a defensive weapon are mainly:

1: At my age, I do much better with a red dot or scope on a carbine

2: longer effective range

3: If you have to actually use it in a DGU, it gets confiscated. I'd rather temporarily lose an AR than a collectable M1 carbine. They do make new ones, but they used to be higher cost than a basic AR is right now. Now if I lived in an urban area where a riot broke out, or in Florida and got an emergency text message of a zombie alert :lol: then anything might be pressed into service.
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Re: Top 10 ways to spot a Fudd (humor)

Postby Mr. Glock » Wed May 30, 2018 6:53 pm

No disrespect meant here, but a certain percentage of “poor stopping power” reported in military weapons usage like the M1 carbine etc were from people with poor shooting accuracy. I’ve never read any stories by combat vets who said “Yeh, I
shot alot but couldnt hit a darn thing”. Then you look at hit percentages in studies and qualifying scores over the years. There is a gap there. Not my place to make conclusions here, but important to bring up the data.

My understanding is that you can qualify expert in the Army qualification today and never even take the 300 yard shots.
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Re: Top 10 ways to spot a Fudd (humor)

Postby Brian D. » Wed May 30, 2018 6:59 pm

Mr. Glock wrote:No disrespect meant here, but a certain percentage of “poor stopping power” reported in military weapons usage like the M1 carbine etc were from people with poor shooting accuracy. I’ve never read any stories by combat vets who said “Yeh, I
shot alot but couldnt hit a darn thing”. Then you look at hit percentages in studies and qualifying scores over the years. There is a gap there. Not my place to make conclusions here, but important to bring up the data.

My understanding is that you can qualify expert in the Army qualification today and never even take the 300 yard shots.


The use of ball ammo, especially in the pistol rounds, doesn't help with regards to "stopping power". That is also the case with .30 Carbine.
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