Broward county SO grills student over range trip w/dad

[Bruenor]

So they don't do anything about the mentally disturbed troublemaker who made threats, they don't enter the school during a shooting, but they do grill a kid, for a range trip with his dad. then **GASP** he posted about it on social media.
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t was great learning about our inalienable right of #2A and how to properly use a gun. This was my first time ever touching a gun and it made me appreciate the #Constitution even more. My instructor was very informative; I learnt a lot. #2A is important and we need 2 preserve 2A pic.twitter.com/4rcOZbpl88
— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 21, 2018

Near the end of third period, my teacher got a call from the office saying I need to go down and see a Mr. Greenleaf. I didn’t know Mr. Greenleaf, but it turned out that he was an armed school resource officer. I went down and found him, and he escorted me to his office. Then a second security officer walked in and sat behind me. Both began questioning me intensely. First, they began berating my tweet, although neither of them had read it; then they began aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc. They were incredibly condescending and rude.

Then a third officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office walked in, and began asking me the same questions again. At that point, I asked whether I could record the interview. They said no. I asked if I had done anything wrong. Again, they answered no. I asked why I was there. One said, “Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?”

They continued to question me aggressively, though they could cite nothing I had done wrong. They kept calling me “the pro-Second Amendment kid.” I was shocked and honestly, scared. It definitely felt like they were attempting to intimidate me.

I was treated like a criminal for no reason other than having gone to the gun range and posted on social media about it.

[rattlehead]

If only more Broward County deputies followed his example...

[Mr. Glock]

It’s easy to be a bully to the law-abiding kids. Takes some actual work to handle the miscreants and their parents.

[High Power]

This is the type of situation you talk with your kids about before it happens. The kids have to learn that they don't have to talk with people like this. All they need to say is; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

The kids need to learn that silence is golden. The problem is that the bullies with badges know this and they will intimidate the kids to get them to talk. The kids get scared then think they can talk their way out of it. They don't realize that every time they open their mouth, the hole gets deeper.

It would be nice to see the kid and the parents sue the school and the Broward county SO.

[qmti]

Saw him on Fox news last night describing his ordeal with the school. I don't know what grade he is in but he has a target on his back and will probably have to transfer to a more friendly school. Or maybe that's why they are harassing him so he will leave.

[JediSkipdogg]

This is the type of situation you talk with your kids about before it happens. The kids have to learn that they don't have to talk with people like this. All they need to say is; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

The kids need to learn that silence is golden. The problem is that the bullies with badges know this and they will intimidate the kids to get them to talk. The kids get scared then think they can talk their way out of it. They don't realize that every time they open their mouth, the hole gets deeper.

It would be nice to see the kid and the parents sue the school and the Broward county SO.

The problem is that then leads to a distrust of police. Kids don't understand when they should and should not talk to police. And then when cases of child abuse or such happen, you have kids that refuse to talk to police and they are the key to solving the crime. Or they may be a good witness to something and because parents have indoctrinated them to remain silent, they think they should do that even if they are not directly involved.

[qmti]

This is the type of situation you talk with your kids about before it happens. The kids have to learn that they don't have to talk with people like this. All they need to say is; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

The kids need to learn that silence is golden. The problem is that the bullies with badges know this and they will intimidate the kids to get them to talk. The kids get scared then think they can talk their way out of it. They don't realize that every time they open their mouth, the hole gets deeper.

It would be nice to see the kid and the parents sue the school and the Broward county SO.

The problem is that then leads to a distrust of police. Kids don't understand when they should and should not talk to police. And then when cases of child abuse or such happen, you have kids that refuse to talk to police and they are the key to solving the crime. Or they may be a good witness to something and because parents have indoctrinated them to remain silent, they think they should do that even if they are not directly involved.

You have a valid point that the kids should not be afraid of the police. But in this case the police are behaving badly.

[WY_Not]

Not trying to make this personal but a healthy distrust of police (or anyone else in a position of authority) is not a bad thing nowadays. Even if the number of bad ones is minuscule, it isn't worth the risk. With a real criminal attempting to harm you then you can at least defend yourself. If that criminal has a badge then all you can do is take it and hope you make it to a court room, have enough money to pursue the matter, and then hope the judge/jury are actually impartial.

The analogy I use is, say you have a big bowl of candy and just one piece is poison. Are you going to risk your life by eating even a single piece of candy?

Don't have a problem with my kids coming to me first. It is my job to keep them safe and teach them. As children, they simply don't need to be dealing directly with LEOs and such. If they saw something or know something then WE will speak to whoever needs spoken to; and depending on the situation, with or without council as needed.

Teaching a child these phrases and teaching them to know their rights is never a bad thing. If they are dealing with a LEO who is behaving properly then there isn't a problem. If they are dealing with a LEO behaving as they were in the OP's story, then there is a problem and the child needs to know how to deal with that.

They should NEVER cooperate with ANYONE who tries to intimidate or bully them, teacher, school official, LEO, etc. If that "adult" wants to behave in such a manner then they need to deal with the parent.

This is the type of situation you talk with your kids about before it happens. The kids have to learn that they don't have to talk with people like this. All they need to say is; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

The kids need to learn that silence is golden. The problem is that the bullies with badges know this and they will intimidate the kids to get them to talk. The kids get scared then think they can talk their way out of it. They don't realize that every time they open their mouth, the hole gets deeper.

It would be nice to see the kid and the parents sue the school and the Broward county SO.

The problem is that then leads to a distrust of police. Kids don't understand when they should and should not talk to police. And then when cases of child abuse or such happen, you have kids that refuse to talk to police and they are the key to solving the crime. Or they may be a good witness to something and because parents have indoctrinated them to remain silent, they think they should do that even if they are not directly involved.

[High Power]

Not trying to make this personal but a healthy distrust of police (or anyone else in a position of authority) is not a bad thing nowadays. Even if the number of bad ones is minuscule, it isn't worth the risk. With a real criminal attempting to harm you then you can at least defend yourself. If that criminal has a badge then all you can do is take it and hope you make it to a court room, have enough money to pursue the matter, and then hope the judge/jury are actually impartial.

The analogy I use is, say you have a big bowl of candy and just one piece is poison. Are you going to risk your life by eating even a single piece of candy?

Don't have a problem with my kids coming to me first. It is my job to keep them safe and teach them. As children, they simply don't need to be dealing directly with LEOs and such. If they saw something or know something then WE will speak to whoever needs spoken to; and depending on the situation, with or without council as needed.

Teaching a child these phrases and teaching them to know their rights is never a bad thing. If they are dealing with a LEO who is behaving properly then there isn't a problem. If they are dealing with a LEO behaving as they were in the OP's story, then there is a problem and the child needs to know how to deal with that.

They should NEVER cooperate with ANYONE who tries to intimidate or bully them, teacher, school official, LEO, etc. If that "adult" wants to behave in such a manner then they need to deal with the parent.

This is the type of situation you talk with your kids about before it happens. The kids have to learn that they don't have to talk with people like this. All they need to say is; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

The kids need to learn that silence is golden. The problem is that the bullies with badges know this and they will intimidate the kids to get them to talk. The kids get scared then think they can talk their way out of it. They don't realize that every time they open their mouth, the hole gets deeper.

It would be nice to see the kid and the parents sue the school and the Broward county SO.

The problem is that then leads to a distrust of police. Kids don't understand when they should and should not talk to police. And then when cases of child abuse or such happen, you have kids that refuse to talk to police and they are the key to solving the crime. Or they may be a good witness to something and because parents have indoctrinated them to remain silent, they think they should do that even if they are not directly involved.

Bingo!

Put yourself in the child's shoes. In other words, all of us have said, "If I knew then what I know now...."

With that thought in mind, ask yourself what you would do if you were the kid in this story. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the folks reading this message would probably say what I suggested; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

If any of you reading this would say what I've suggested and what any attorney would advise us to say, then why would we want our kids to act any differently?

Remember that the Nazi's and the Communists, taught the children to rat on their parents. I can guarantee you that is what a lot of liberals in the educational system would like to do if they aren't teaching that already.

[deanimator]

The problem is that then leads to a distrust of police.

As it should.

If somebody does something to negate your trust in them, why should you trust them anyway?

Police are not only permitted to lie to you, they're ENCOURAGED to. You have NO idea what that cop's motivations are. You CAN'T know what his motivations are. Why take the risk of FALSELY incriminating yourself?

This is ALL on the cops. They created the environment, let them enjoy living in it.

Kids don't understand when they should and should not talk to police.

Nor for the most part, do most adults.

That's why the profession of attorney exists.

Talking to the police without benefit of counsel is VERY dangerous.

In most instances, I strongly advise against it.

[drc]

Remember that the Nazi's and the Communists, taught the children to rat on their parents. I can guarantee you that is what a lot of liberals in the educational system would like to do if they aren't teaching that already.

Don't you think some of the recent activity is strangely reminiscent of the Hitler Youth already ?

[Bruenor]

Remember that the Nazi's and the Communists, taught the children to rat on their parents. I can guarantee you that is what a lot of liberals in the educational system would like to do if they aren't teaching that already.

Don't you think some of the recent activity is strangely reminiscent of the Hitler Youth already ?

seems like a good place for a visual

Yeah CUBA !
with all the adults organizing and funding events for the kids, bussing them around, providing chartered flights, air time interviews, book deals (Who really wants to read a book by D.H. ? or would even take it seriously ?).

wonder when they are getting their uniforms, and what flag/logo will be on the sleeve.

[jeep45238]

This is the type of situation you talk with your kids about before it happens. The kids have to learn that they don't have to talk with people like this. All they need to say is; "I am not answering any questions. Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? I want my attorney. I want my Mom or Dad here. I want to go back to class."

The kids need to learn that silence is golden. The problem is that the bullies with badges know this and they will intimidate the kids to get them to talk. The kids get scared then think they can talk their way out of it. They don't realize that every time they open their mouth, the hole gets deeper.

It would be nice to see the kid and the parents sue the school and the Broward county SO.

The problem is that then leads to a distrust of police. Kids don't understand when they should and should not talk to police. And then when cases of child abuse or such happen, you have kids that refuse to talk to police and they are the key to solving the crime. Or they may be a good witness to something and because parents have indoctrinated them to remain silent, they think they should do that even if they are not directly involved.

45 mintues long, but dead nuts on, and totally applicable to the situation. And provides input from lawyer and police - with the police having the last say.

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