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CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby rickt » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:19 am

Since this was turned over to the Postal Inspectors I wonder if the Broadview Heights police realize this guy committed a felony?

Accidental gun shot, Royalton Road: On Feb. 9, a customer at the Broadview Heights Post Office called police about the smell of gunpowder.

An arriving officer talked to a postal worker who showed him a damaged piece of flooring that appeared to have been shot by a gun. There were fragments around the damage.

One clerk said she was in the back when she heard a loud bang. When she explored the noise, a man was leaving. He said he accidentally fired a gun and left. Surveillance video revealed a man dropping off a package and then putting his hands in his pocket. He then jumps from the gunshot.

It turned out the man did have a CCW permit out of Lake County. The U.S. Postal Inspector took over the investigation.


http://www.cleveland.com/broadview-heights/index.ssf/2018/03/man_accidentally_discharges_gu.html
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby Bruenor » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:09 am

Gun in pocket without a holster that covers the trigger.. when will people learn ?
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby TSiWRX » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:43 pm

Bruenor wrote:Gun in pocket without a holster that covers the trigger.. when will people learn ?


I think it's too soon to suggest that the gun was without a pocket holster, given the brevity of the report.

The man's finger(s) could have sneaked into the holster's mouth or, alternatively, it's possible that a leather/cloth holster could have "folded" in just the right way as to interact with the trigger, which may then have accomplished its path when the man put his hand into the pocket and pushed the gun forward. There's also the possibility that debris entered the mouth of the pocket holster and accomplished the same.

Just having a pocket holster does not automatically make things "safer," so to speak. Good practices and common-sense still applies! :)
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby qmti » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:05 pm

A CHL carrier that doesn't know the law and makes all CHL carriers look bad. Yeah, I know we shouldn't be restricted but it's the law and we have to live with it.
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby Brian D. » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:12 pm

Stupid.
Quit worrying, hide your gun well, shut up, and CARRY that handgun!

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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby fyrfytr310 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:06 pm

qmti wrote:A CHL carrier that doesn't know the law and makes all CHL carriers look bad. Yeah, I know we shouldn't be restricted but it's the law and we have to live with it.


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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby Bruenor » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:13 pm

TSiWRX wrote:
Bruenor wrote:Gun in pocket without a holster that covers the trigger.. when will people learn ?


I think it's too soon to suggest that the gun was without a pocket holster, given the brevity of the report.

The man's finger(s) could have sneaked into the holster's mouth or, alternatively, it's possible that a leather/cloth holster could have "folded" in just the right way as to interact with the trigger, which may then have accomplished its path when the man put his hand into the pocket and pushed the gun forward. There's also the possibility that debris entered the mouth of the pocket holster and accomplished the same.

Just having a pocket holster does not automatically make things "safer," so to speak. Good practices and common-sense still applies! :)


No pocket holster <=> Junk pocket holster.. About on the same level, if you ask me.
You are right people do sell and buy cheap holsters, that don't function properly. (prime example Uncle Mikes) And yes, it should be in a pocket by itself, not along with change, keys and chapstick, which goes to good practices and common-sense.

Of course that's still with me entirely ignoring the "you aren't supposed to carry there" aspect.
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby Brian D. » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:28 pm

Bruenor wrote:
No pocket holster <=> Junk pocket holster.. About on the same level, if you ask me.
You are right people do sell and buy cheap holsters, that don't function properly. (prime example Uncle Mikes)


Well, actually, the Uncle Mike's inside-the-pocket holster is their one rig I'd say works well enough to use, or recommend to others. It covers the trigger and usually helps the gun stay muzzle down as it should. Kind of depends on the pocket shape, and particular gun. And, its exterior is rough enough to provide some friction against the pocket's lining, from my experience.
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby TSiWRX » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:09 pm

Bruenor wrote:No pocket holster <=> Junk pocket holster.. About on the same level, if you ask me.


I'll heartily agree to that - but there are exceptions.

Even dan dan the xd40 man said at one point that a holster was nothing but a very well-fitting pocket. Holster-less pocket-carry is viable - and everyone from low-lying criminals to professionally licensed gunmen have been doing it for ages - but it takes good common sense and practices. As one ex-gang member I interviewed said to me, the fact that "you don't want nothin' else in that pocket" is something that's both commonly taught to the new initiates, as well as is a very self-apparent lesson to those who would violate that rule. :lol:

But I get what you mean - and I do not, at all, disagree with your take.

You are right people do sell and buy cheap holsters, that don't function properly. (prime example Uncle Mikes) And yes, it should be in a pocket by itself, not along with change, keys and chapstick, which goes to good practices and common-sense.


So here's the kicker - even "good" holsters are no guarantee.

Some of the problems with unintentional/forced trigger interaction occurred in the very highly regarded Safariland light-enabled holsters, which, particularly on the side adjacent to the body, had a wide enough flare/opening over the trigger area which made it possible for a finger (or something else) to get wedged-in and actuate the trigger while the gun was still securely holstered and retention-locked. Apparently, it's just a compromise Safariland had to make in the design of the holster in order to allow for clearance of the light during the draw/holster stroke.

A newer product - their 7TS - significantly closed that gap, but most current users of the 6000-series ALS holsters actually do -NOT- see this specific issue as that big of a concern, given their typical usage...

Nevertheless, that possibility does exist (same as it does of various other light-bearing solutions), and has caused documented unintentional discharges.

I know that's far from the realm of pocket holsters, but even a good shell like the DeSantis Nemesis/Superfly can still admit a finger into the trigger guard - in the winter, my front outerwear pocket on my strong side is loaded with just such a setup using one of those flyweight unobtanium-framed S&W snubbies in just such a holster, and I will fire through both it and the garment, if need be.

Of course that's still with me entirely ignoring the "you aren't supposed to carry there" aspect.


Same here. :wink:
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Re: CHL discharges gun in post office

Postby djthomas » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:49 am

rickt wrote:Since this was turned over to the Postal Inspectors I wonder if the Broadview Heights police realize this guy committed a felony?

I'm sure they do but since it occurred in a federal facility the Postal Inspectors take the investigative lead by default. Once the investigation is complete they'll decide on how to proceed. I used to know some of the Cleveland PIs and they worked hand in hand with locals all the time. Assuming they want to charge the guy they'll figure out the most appropriate venue and go from there.
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