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Using VETs to guard schools

Postby charliej47 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:00 pm

I am a VET (notice the caps). I asked my fellow VETs in an online forum if asked would they step up to guard. So far, I have received almost a thousand positive responses from across the nation. We only ask for the same protections that LEOs have. I would say "only allow those that have a CCW where required" to be chosen. Keep the guard duty simple and short. Establish simple ROEs. Have backups (LEOs) available oncall

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Re: Using VETs to guard schools

Postby bignflnut » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:33 am

Thank you for your service, sir, and your servant's heart. I respect the fact that you want to contribute to the solution, and are willing to part with your time to protect innocent people.

Respectfully, I disagree with the "ask for the same protections that LEOs have" part of your equation.

LEOs and VETs did not fail in Parkland or any of the other shootings. True, they could help, but they are not the solution to the issue at hand. America was founded on the idea that there would be an armed and morally upright populace. To that end, we should advocate that citizens who desire to carry weapons for self-defense and the defense of the innocent are able to do so, not with special privileges given by government, but Rights granted by way of our Creator, evident in our humanity.

Let's not insist on differing classes of citizens who are allowed to defend themselves in certain buildings, while others would be deemed felons. Let's further distance ourselves from the concept that government approved training/licensing is required to exercise our Rights. Neither separate classes nor government training reflect America's Founding vision or the various Constitutions VETs and LEOs swear to uphold.

A simple change of signage from "gun free" to "gun welcoming" and a few press releases from local school boards announcing available training for adults who desire to protect the innocent would go a long way in deterrence.

Over and above the Gun Free Zone issue, America's families need to be strengthened. Fathers need to be with their children and grandchildren, teaching them the value of life.

Thank you again for being willing to serve your community and your family.
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Re: Using VETs to guard schools

Postby gaptrick » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:23 pm

Well said^^ Expounding on your sig line....
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Re: Using VETs to guard schools

Postby High Power » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:53 pm

I'm also a VET. Although your idea has good intentions I disagree with only permitting veterans the lofty honor of safeguarding the children.

I have met a lot of highly intelligent, very perceptive civilians who can think fast and make rational decisions under pressure. It's a mistake to think that ONLY veterans are capable of standing guard and able to think on their feet under pressure.

It's true that we veterans have had a lot of training compared to some civilians. However, I've met a lot of civilians who relish training with firearms and love to shoot that lay out a lot of cash to go to places like Thunder Ranch and Gun Site.

If I were involved in a fire-fight there are some good civilian friends of mine that I would rather have by my side over some veterans that I have served with. I'm not saying that those veterans aren't any good; it's just that I would trust my friends more because I know them better.

The best approach to school safety is letting teachers carry their sidearms to school. Not only that, if I go to the school, I ought to be able to carry my sidearm as well.

The most important reason we shouldn't adopt a VETs only policy is because we exclude talented citizens that can help. Adopting a veterans only policy feeds the false idea that only the police and military should have guns.

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Re: Using VETs to guard schools

Postby jeep45238 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:45 pm

High Power wrote:I'm also a VET. Although your idea has good intentions I disagree with only permitting veterans the lofty honor of safeguarding the children.

I have met a lot of highly intelligent, very perceptive civilians who can think fast and make rational decisions under pressure. It's a mistake to think that ONLY veterans are capable of standing guard and able to think on their feet under pressure.

It's true that we veterans have had a lot of training compared to some civilians. However, I've met a lot of civilians who relish training with firearms and love to shoot that lay out a lot of cash to go to places like Thunder Ranch and Gun Site.

If I were involved in a fire-fight there are some good civilian friends of mine that I would rather have by my side over some veterans that I have served with. I'm not saying that those veterans aren't any good; it's just that I would trust my friends more because I know them better.

The best approach to school safety is letting teachers carry their sidearms to school. Not only that, if I go to the school, I ought to be able to carry my sidearm as well.

The most important reason we shouldn't adopt a VETs only policy is because we exclude talented citizens that can help. Adopting a veterans only policy feeds the false idea that only the police and military should have guns.

Don't forget that it was mostly civilians who gave the British a licking at Lexington and Concord.


Nail on the head, not a fan, coming from another VET.

Not to mention this thing called life - with work, school, a home, a marriage, and eventually kids, where do you think the time during the day will magically appear to leave work for the duration of a schoolday to do overwatch duty of some worth?
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Re: Using VETs to guard schools

Postby JediSkipdogg » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:53 pm

jeep45238 wrote:Nail on the head, not a fan, coming from another VET.

Not to mention this thing called life - with work, school, a home, a marriage, and eventually kids, where do you think the time during the day will magically appear to leave work for the duration of a schoolday to do overwatch duty of some worth?


I totally agree.

And Vets say they would do it for free, but I doubt most would. What Vet is going to willingly sit at a school for 180 days unpaid? I think they would want some compensation and who is going to pay that? If you say it would be a team, how large of a team? 20 with rotating 4 people on at a time? That starts to get hard to know everything in the school. So as others have said, arm the teachers. They are free to arm for those that would like to, or at minimum paying for their training to do so. There are also a lot more teachers and keeping the armed ones a secret gives the element of surprise.
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