And it happens again, another school shooting

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WY_Not wrote:And money says that not a single person who failed to follow those protocols will be imprisoned much less fired. :evil:
For the last eight years, it's been the "Chicago Way".

As long as no harm comes to anybody "important", anybody in government can do anything to anyone, by action or inaction, and they're TOTALLY unaccountable.

The "machine" protects its own, and it expanded into D.C. in 2009.

Of course Lon Horiuchi can tell you what it's like to be inviolate when the right people are running the show.
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If the large number of guns in circulation is the problem then why don't we hear about mass killings at shooting ranges?
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These mass shootings are because it's so easy to get guns now. Not like the old days when you had to actually send a check to Sears and get a .38 in the mailbox within a couple of weeks with no background check.
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This is a long but good article. Of course, only the pro-freedom (that also means pro-gun) folks will bother to read it. Try to send it to a rabid anti-freedom gun-grabber and they will promptly delete your e-mail.

Nevertheless, it's a good article for someone who doesn't have their mind made up about freedom issues like carriage and ownership of firearms.

From the article:
Moreover, though there are probably around 15 million AR-15s in civilian hands today, they are responsible for a small number of gun deaths — around two percent of gun homicides in 2016 were perpetrated by rifles, and not all of them AR-15s. The vast majority of gun homicides and suicides are committed using the kind of handguns that Scarborough believes Americans should be able to own.

Nor do murderers need AR-15s to shoot up schools. From 1999 to 2013, “assault rifles” were used in 27 percent of mass shootings — defined as four or more murder victims in one shooting. Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people at the gun-free zone of Virginia Tech using two semi-automatic handguns.
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The sad fact about almost all mass shootings, whether they're at a school, church, etc, is every time most people ask the wrong questions when it comes to limiting the carnage. The important question isn't how did the killer get his guns, what kind of guns he had, how many magazines he had, how come warning signs were missed, why doesn't Congress or the president enact gun control, etc. The most important question to limit the carnage if it occurs, (and it will occur again, somewhere), is was how many of the victims in the area of the killer had the ability to shoot back. :(

The question crying talk show hosts, celebrities, and some politicians should be asking is, Instead of having praise and funerals for coaches or other staff for shielding students after a massacre, how about giving select staff the ability to defend the students in a better way?
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M-Quigley wrote:The sad fact about almost all mass shootings, whether they're at a school, church, etc, is every time most people ask the wrong questions when it comes to limiting the carnage. The important question isn't how did the killer get his guns, what kind of guns he had, how many magazines he had, how come warning signs were missed, why doesn't Congress or the president enact gun control, etc. The most important question to limit the carnage if it occurs, (and it will occur again, somewhere), is was how many of the victims in the area of the killer had the ability to shoot back. :(

The question crying talk show hosts, celebrities, and some politicians should be asking is, Instead of having praise and funerals for coaches or other staff for shielding students after a massacre, how about giving select staff the ability to defend the students in a better way?
Banning this turkey from being on school grounds with a backpack was only a start. They should have banned him completely, with written notice to him and copied to the local police. They also should have hardened the target, limiting ingress locations with the armed resource officers at those locations, ready to respond to problems elsewhere by closing the ingress via locked gates or otherwise. Allowing armed staff would have been a good move as well if local law permitted.

Now, had they done all that, the guy still might have gotten in and done his thing, but he would have had to work harder at it and there might have been early warning.

Limiting sites of ingress also does not mean that egress also has to be limited as one way doors or gates would help in that situation.

However, if someone wants to do this stuff, he will find a way to do it.

Regarding the mental health issue, just because someone does something like this does not make him mentally ill. Mentally aberrant yes, but not necessarily mentally ill. Some people are just bad people.
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deanimator wrote:See something => Say something => Do NOTHING
That's about the size of it. Not to mention that lying on a 4473 does not seem to elicit a law enforcement response.
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rDigital wrote:
deanimator wrote:See something => Say something => Do NOTHING
That's about the size of it. Not to mention that lying on a 4473 does not seem to elicit a law enforcement response.
That was Obama administration policy.
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When school boards are forced to put in place armed security that is effective. most of these attacks can be ended quickly.
School boards should face civil and criminal charges for poor security .
It is their JOB to protect these kids no matter the cost.
Sad to say but the leftists in charge of these schools are letting these kids die for their anti gun agenda.
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steves 50de wrote:When school boards are forced to put in place armed security that is effective. most of these attacks can be ended quickly.
School boards should face civil and criminal charges for poor security .
It is their JOB to protect these kids no matter the cost.
Sad to say but the leftist in charge of these schools are letting these kids die for their anti gun agenda.
And now they are going to tear the building down so no one has to feel bad. What a waste of money!
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deanimator wrote:
rDigital wrote:
deanimator wrote:See something => Say something => Do NOTHING
That's about the size of it. Not to mention that lying on a 4473 does not seem to elicit a law enforcement response.
That was Obama administration policy.
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Maybe, but it is STILL policy.

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steves 50de wrote:When school boards are forced to put in place armed security that is effective. most of these attacks can be ended quickly.
School boards should face civil and criminal charges for poor security .
It is their JOB to protect these kids no matter the cost.
Sad to say but the leftists in charge of these schools are letting these kids die for their anti gun agenda.
When a school superintendent in that district was asked, she vigorously defended their active shooter policy, actually proud of it, and saying there's nothing more we could've done. The implication was that the fault lies somewhere else. :roll:
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M-Quigley wrote:
steves 50de wrote:When school boards are forced to put in place armed security that is effective. most of these attacks can be ended quickly.
School boards should face civil and criminal charges for poor security .
It is their JOB to protect these kids no matter the cost.
Sad to say but the leftists in charge of these schools are letting these kids die for their anti gun agenda.
When a school superintendent in that district was asked, she vigorously defended their active shooter policy, actually proud of it, and saying there's nothing more we could've done. The implication was that the fault lies somewhere else. :roll:
Of course the fault lies somewhere else. The fault always lies somewhere else.

Even a run of the mill armed concealed carrier could have changed the outcome drastically.

There have actually been some worthy prevention proposals made amid all the posturing but there is still stubborn opposition to establishing a last line of defense.
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The NRA is taking beating from the media. I would like to see the NRA fight back and Support lawsuits with green money.
The school board has FAILED these kids and parents.
School boards have the power to make a school very safe or not safe at all.,,,, seams like most choose to trust the no gun sign to work. :roll:
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