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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby bignflnut » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:15 pm

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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby 3FULLMAGS+1 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:35 pm

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Now THAT has GOT to give the anti's a migraine !
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby JediSkipdogg » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:02 am

3FULLMAGS+1 wrote:
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Now THAT has GOT to give the anti's a migraine !


Obviously not since the biggest anti, Biden, says the one that should not have had a gun was the one that stopped the shooting. He says nothing about the shooter not possessing one since the government system failed.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby bignflnut » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:38 pm

To be sure, the Air Force does appear to have some culpability in this. Their failure to add the shooter to the NICS database allowed him to purchase firearms despite being prohibited by federal law. Lawful gun stores did their part, but the United States Air Force failed to do its share.

As a result, 26 people are dead who likely wouldn’t be if it not for that failure.

That said, yes it’s possible the killer would have found some other way to arm himself. After all, criminals get guns every day despite actually being in the system. However, the Sutherland Springs killer didn’t skulk around in shady corners looking for black market gun dealers or even people who were clueless as to his status as a prohibited individual. He bought through the very system designed to deny him a gun.

That system failed due to a single point, and that’s the Air Force.

For once, a family is filing a lawsuit against someone they believe is responsible for a mass shooting, and they might actually be right. From where I sit, it certainly looks that way, that’s for sure. The USAF screwed the pooch and now people are angry.

They should be.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby Bruenor » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:54 am

So it looks like Willeford got in a couple hits, but ultimately the coward shooter did himself in at the end.
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An autopsy has confirmed that the gunman who killed more than two dozen people at a Texas church last year died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

The autopsy, released Thursday by the Travis County Medical Examiner's Office, says 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley also was shot in the torso and the left leg.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby M-Quigley » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:12 am

Back at the time of the shooting the authorities said that the suspect called his father after he could no longer drive away. He indicated on the phone that he didn't feel like he was going to survive anyway. The hits that Willeford got were enough to keep the killer from being able to kill anyone else in another location, which one of the authorities said was a good possibility based on the evidence found after the shooting.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby djthomas » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:35 am

Bruenor wrote:So it looks like Willeford got in a couple hits, but ultimately the coward shooter did himself in at the end.

All's well that ends well. But seriously, it's not the defender's goal to kill the person. It's their goal to stop the threat. Willeford was completely effective at that. Sometimes stopping the threat means the perpetrator dies as a result of the defender's actions. Other times the perpetrator dies by their own hand. Occasionally they surrender and live to see another day.

If you want to get clinical about it though, it's tough to survive an AR shot to the torso unless medical assistance is literally right there, and even then it's dicey. In this case we're talking rural Texas where all available medical assistance from within 60 miles is converging on the church. The shootout occurred several miles from the scene. Nobody's getting to this dude anytime soon. All his actions did was change which checkbox the coroner used on the death certificate.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby Javelin Man » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:44 am

All his actions did was change which checkbox the coroner used on the death certificate.
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