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Texas Church shooting

Postby Javelin Man » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:17 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-than-20-dead-after-shooting-at-sutherland-springs-church/ar-AAutjLF?li=BBnb7Kz

Is nothing sacred? Do they allow concealed carry in Texas churches? There were only 40-50 people in the church so half were killed, more injured. :evil:
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby M-Quigley » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:42 pm

And it didn't take long for an anti gun Democratic politician to politicize to comment, despite not having all of the facts in yet. :roll:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/35886 ... s-shooting

The odd thing was, the politician was responding to a blog post dated Wednesday, August 31, 2016 Wednesday, August 31, 2016
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby JustaShooter » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:24 pm

Javelin Man wrote:Is nothing sacred?


No, sadly not anymore.

Javelin Man wrote:Do they allow concealed carry in Texas churches?


The answer is yes, but unless you read TX law carefully you would think it is not - and it wasn't originally allowed so I suspect many don't know that it is. Here's a good article on the topic:

http://www.lapinlawtx.com/firearms-blog ... of-worship
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby Ghost » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:26 pm

News article I read said the shooter was dishonorably discharged from the Airforce after a court martial. Doesn’t that legally prevent him from owning a firearm? The article also said he posted pictures of his AR15 on Facebook. I wonder how he got his hands on a rifle?
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Postby Mr. Glock » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:45 pm

At this point, UK media says court marshalled and dishonorable discharge in May 2014. Volunteered
for Bible studies teacher after said discharge.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby deanimator » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:53 pm

He could have stabbed one person to death and anti-gun cultists would be calling for invidiously racist gun controls.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby qmti » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:20 pm

I was out shopping most of the day and show the news when I sat down for dinner. Channel hopping between FOX and MSNBC. FOX news didn't mention gun control at all but the paid analysts on MSNBC sure did start it. At the bottom of screen it listed analyst/politician name with the (D) behind the name. Not surprised, but my condolences goes out to the victims and their families.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby Brian D. » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:46 pm

Starting to sound like a non-LE good guy engaged and killed the shooter, possibly with a long gun. At this point, reported details are all over the board.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby SMMAssociates » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 pm

As of about 2000, on Fox for quite some time, no mention of "gun control", but I'm expecting that the usual suspects will be out there trying to ban whatever weapons the BG used, and whatever the "civilian" used to punch (possibly) the subject's ticket.

Zero has apparently come out with with a "gun control" message just reported on Fox, and I think that Hitlery and the rest have jumped in for more control, too.

I really can't understand why NOBODY in the Church was able to get a shot off (presuming that anybody was carrying), but somebody said that we should ban "bump stocks", so who knows how fast this went down.

It is, I think, a call for everybody who's willing to carry, to do so in Houses of Worship, and that any legal barriers be dropped.

But what do I know? My wife doesn't understand it....

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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby Ghost » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:07 pm

Brian D. wrote:Starting to sound like a non-LE good guy engaged and killed the shooter, possibly with a long gun. At this point, reported details are all over the board.

Yeah, I think your right. This is a direct quote from an ABC news article about this shooting.

“As the suspect exited the church, a local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged the suspect, after which he dropped his assault-type rifle and fled, authorities said.”

So it looks like he fled after being confronted by an armed civilian.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby deanimator » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:51 pm

SMMAssociates wrote:I really can't understand why NOBODY in the Church was able to get a shot off (presuming that anybody was carrying), but somebody said that we should ban "bump stocks", so who knows how fast this went down.

I believe it's illegal to carry a concealed firearm in a church in Texas.

Yet again, we see what happens when:
  1. free fire zones [for criminals only] are created.
  2. attention craving sociopaths are rewarded with infinite attention.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby JustaShooter » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:14 pm

deanimator wrote:I believe it's illegal to carry a concealed firearm in a church in Texas.


As I posted previously, it is legal unless the church posts a 30-06 sign. But unless you read TX law carefully you would think it is not - and it wasn't originally allowed so I suspect many don't know that it is. Here's a good article on the topic:

http://www.lapinlawtx.com/firearms-blog ... of-worship
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby Brian D. » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:31 pm

JustaShooter wrote:
deanimator wrote:I believe it's illegal to carry a concealed firearm in a church in Texas.


As I posted previously, it is legal unless the church posts a 30-06 sign. But unless you read TX law carefully you would think it is not - and it wasn't originally allowed so I suspect many don't know that it is. Here's a good article on the topic:

http://www.lapinlawtx.com/firearms-blog ... of-worship


I read the link you posted. Texas legislature appears to have changed the law so that gun rights people dialed in to their statehouse would understand the change, while pandering to the lefty rhymin' revruns a little bit at the same time. Pathetic.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby cashman966 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:24 pm

Mr. Glock wrote:At this point, UK media says court marshalled and dishonorable discharge in May 2014. Volunteered
for Bible studies teacher after said discharge.


Fox is saying the court martial was for DV in 2012 and confined for 12 months then a BCD. The DV alone would make him a prohibited person. Wonder how he obtained his firearms.

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He was court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and his child. Kelley received a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force, in addition to confinement for 12 months and was reduced in rank.
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Re: Texas Church shooting

Postby SMMAssociates » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:26 am

cashman966 wrote:Fox is saying the court martial was for DV in 2012 and confined for 12 months then a BCD. The DV alone would make him a prohibited person. Wonder how he obtained his firearms.


Bet the anti's jump all over that one - "gun show loophole", of course....

It would be interesting to find out. Probably his wife bought them. I doubt if her background check would light up anything - especially due to their mutual history with her the victim. A politico who denied a "license" to a frightened woman who was later harmed might have problems in the next election.

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