I wonder how many other businesses will follow suit, and not just in Vegas either.Wynn suggested that the training and steps implemented at his properties would have set off alarm bells if Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock had tried to launch his mass murder scheme from one of them.
Specific training techniques include Wynn hotels housekeeping staffs, room service staffs and anybody else who enters a guest room doing visual inspections every time. He added that a room with a “Do Not Disturb” sign displayed on its door for longer than 12 hours is investigated.
“The scenario that we’re aware of would have indicated that [Paddock] didn’t let anyone in the room for two or three days,” Wynn told “Fox News Sunday.” “That would have triggered a whole bunch of alarms here.”
Wynn said guns are not allowed in his hotels, unless they belong to employees who are required to carry them. He said guests who are found to have guns, “we eject from the hotel.” Wynn said they discover guests with guns “continually.”
After the shooting, Wynn hotels started using wands to detect potential metal objects on guests, as well as inspecting luggage upon entrance to the hotel.
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I highly doubt the 12 hour thing. Heck, I've stayed in hotels and left it on the door for 3-4 straight days myself and take it down on one day for them to do my sheets and clean then put it back on. I like my hotel room being clean and bed made daily, but at the same time, I see thefts from hotels and the only keyed entry into the room is the guest and the housekeeping staff. I'd like to minimize my risk by eliminating one of them.
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I think some of his stuff is posturing and inconsistent from talk to talk. Just last week he was talking about how they have metal detectors covertly installed in every building entrance and a team of 40 Marines armed to the teeth in plain clothes to deal with problems. But now he's talking about how they started wanding people walking in. Well if you have detectors in the doors backed up by the A team then why are you suddenly wanding everybody with unarmed security schmoes? Wynn has always struck me as a bit of a mall ninja.
And FWIW reports were saying 10+ minutes to get in, including convention goers who stepped outside for a smoke. As anybody who has been to the Strip knows a large part of the experience is the foot traffic in and out of each venue. I just don't see this being sustainable.
After Colorado how many movie theaters started TSAing their patrons? None. Some started inconsistently doing bag checks but that's about it.
And FWIW reports were saying 10+ minutes to get in, including convention goers who stepped outside for a smoke. As anybody who has been to the Strip knows a large part of the experience is the foot traffic in and out of each venue. I just don't see this being sustainable.
After Colorado how many movie theaters started TSAing their patrons? None. Some started inconsistently doing bag checks but that's about it.
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I concur. If I went to Vegas and was required to be wanded or walk through a metal detector to go in a hotel, I'd keep on walking. At that point they may as well make the places members only.djthomas wrote:I think some of his stuff is posturing and inconsistent from talk to talk. Just last week he was talking about how they have metal detectors covertly installed in every building entrance and a team of 40 Marines armed to the teeth in plain clothes to deal with problems. But now he's talking about how they started wanding people walking in. Well if you have detectors in the doors backed up by the A team then why are you suddenly wanding everybody with unarmed security schmoes? Wynn has always struck me as a bit of a mall ninja.
And FWIW reports were saying 10+ minutes to get in, including convention goers who stepped outside for a smoke. As anybody who has been to the Strip knows a large part of the experience is the foot traffic in and out of each venue. I just don't see this being sustainable.
After Colorado how many movie theaters started TSAing their patrons? None. Some started inconsistently doing bag checks but that's about it.
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The wife and I walked into the Wynn several times following the shooting. They did, indeed, have security guards at the entries with hand-held metal detectors. And they were wanding exactly no one. Maybe it was being done randomly, I don't know. However, the guy at one entrance we walked by appeared to be far more concerned with telling me to not smoke my cigar until we got to the gaming floor than anything else.JediSkipdogg wrote: I concur. If I went to Vegas and was required to be wanded or walk through a metal detector to go in a hotel, I'd keep on walking. At that point they may as well make the places members only.
The amount of foot traffic through these casino hotels, and the numbers of entrances every one of them has, would make such an endeavor virtually impossible. And I cannot imagine that the casino owners have any interest in doing anything that would potentially reduce foot traffic.
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I would imagine EVERYONE in Vegas would set off a wand or metal detector. It would be much worse than a TSA line because nobody would be prepared for it.sodbuster95 wrote:The wife and I walked into the Wynn several times following the shooting. They did, indeed, have security guards at the entries with hand-held metal detectors. And they were wanding exactly no one. Maybe it was being done randomly, I don't know. However, the guy at one entrance we walked by appeared to be far more concerned with telling me to not smoke my cigar until we got to the gaming floor than anything else.JediSkipdogg wrote: I concur. If I went to Vegas and was required to be wanded or walk through a metal detector to go in a hotel, I'd keep on walking. At that point they may as well make the places members only.
The amount of foot traffic through these casino hotels, and the numbers of entrances every one of them has, would make such an endeavor virtually impossible. And I cannot imagine that the casino owners have any interest in doing anything that would potentially reduce foot traffic.
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I concur with you. Their so called gun free zone doesn't protect me coming and going to their hotel. I don't support CPZ's if I can avoid it, too many other places are willing to take my money.JediSkipdogg wrote:I concur. If I went to Vegas and was required to be wanded or walk through a metal detector to go in a hotel, I'd keep on walking. At that point they may as well make the places members only.djthomas wrote:I think some of his stuff is posturing and inconsistent from talk to talk. Just last week he was talking about how they have metal detectors covertly installed in every building entrance and a team of 40 Marines armed to the teeth in plain clothes to deal with problems. But now he's talking about how they started wanding people walking in. Well if you have detectors in the doors backed up by the A team then why are you suddenly wanding everybody with unarmed security schmoes? Wynn has always struck me as a bit of a mall ninja.
And FWIW reports were saying 10+ minutes to get in, including convention goers who stepped outside for a smoke. As anybody who has been to the Strip knows a large part of the experience is the foot traffic in and out of each venue. I just don't see this being sustainable.
After Colorado how many movie theaters started TSAing their patrons? None. Some started inconsistently doing bag checks but that's about it.
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On a previous trip we were leaving vegas, and my cohort kept tripping the metal detector at the airport. At one point I said, harry just pull the gun out of your pocket and put it on the belt so we can get going. Obviously this was pre-pre 9/11. I got a frown out of the security agent for that one. wasn't till he started emptying all his pockets that he discovered a Copper clad souvenir postcard in his jacket pocket that was the culprit. I can't imagine the hold up at the casinos if people were subject to that level scrutiny just to walk onto a casino floor along the strip.JediSkipdogg wrote:I would imagine EVERYONE in Vegas would set off a wand or metal detector. It would be much worse than a TSA line because nobody would be prepared for it.sodbuster95 wrote:The wife and I walked into the Wynn several times following the shooting. They did, indeed, have security guards at the entries with hand-held metal detectors. And they were wanding exactly no one. Maybe it was being done randomly, I don't know. However, the guy at one entrance we walked by appeared to be far more concerned with telling me to not smoke my cigar until we got to the gaming floor than anything else.JediSkipdogg wrote: I concur. If I went to Vegas and was required to be wanded or walk through a metal detector to go in a hotel, I'd keep on walking. At that point they may as well make the places members only.
The amount of foot traffic through these casino hotels, and the numbers of entrances every one of them has, would make such an endeavor virtually impossible. And I cannot imagine that the casino owners have any interest in doing anything that would potentially reduce foot traffic.
No guns signs don't carry the force of law in Nevada, the casinos (who all have no guns policies, and are not necessarily posted) can ask you to leave if you are spotted carrying, and trespass you if you don't comply. I couldn't find any information about firearms in hotel rooms in Nevada, maybe I didn't look hard enough.
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Typically metal detectors in public are set way higher than at the airports because of all the things just mentioned and I do question their ability to find anything even slightly concealed. I recently carried at a sporting event where the instructions are everything but your cell phone can stay on your person. I won't go into the specifics but I was able to walk through the metal detector with a small handgun without alarming. My wife "forgot" her cell phone and keys in her pocket and set the alarm off so I know it was working.
Note - this particular venue allows for off duty carry so I followed those procedures as required, lest anybody think I'm advocating breaking the law or something. I'm just pointing out that much of it is security theater. I just can't see it being expanded to hotel type venues without being the same joke of a process.
Note - this particular venue allows for off duty carry so I followed those procedures as required, lest anybody think I'm advocating breaking the law or something. I'm just pointing out that much of it is security theater. I just can't see it being expanded to hotel type venues without being the same joke of a process.